George Floyd and racial justice

Started by GSOgymrat, May 30, 2020, 09:11:58 AM

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Baruch

Quote from: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 11:25:28 AM
So you believe all cops are murderers?

To Munch? 

All humans are evil, in uniform or not.  But there is more than one way to be evil.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

drunkenshoe

"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

SGOS

An old school chum of mine in Chicago related to me this item he watched on the evening news last night:

QuoteChicago police caught and arrested a looter in a strip mall on south Pulaski Road who was carrying stolen beauty supply items.  He was 41 years old and was from Lafayette, Indiana.  Police found a pistol with an extended magazine tucked in his pants belt.  So he was charged with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon.  When questioned as to why he had the gun, the looter responded with "you think I'm going to come to Chicago and do all this shit and not have my gun on me?"


Mermaid

Quote from: Munch on June 02, 2020, 09:20:58 PM

even when obama was in office, there was still white/black tension in america, lets not pretend it went away just because he was in office for two terms.


Who is pretending there was no racial tension when Obama was in office?
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

drunkenshoe

One thing I don't understand. How do these poeple think they could get away with social media posts like this? I thought the same thing about that Amy Cooper. Those cops killing Floyd. So many examples.

Even under normal circumstances the social media, news sites, magazines sites...everywhere is full of people recorded or busted doing something illegal or dumb. Everywhere is full of cameras. How on earth these people think they can get away with this? 

"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Mermaid on June 03, 2020, 12:59:09 PM
Who is pretending there was no racial tension when Obama was in office?

He is living in a world where one hand wearing white glove, the other black. The black gloved hand has no voice and it just keeps attacking the white gloved one which keeps saying 'oh, no! Stop it, oh no!'.

   
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

Shiranu

QuoteOne thing I don't understand. How do these poeple think they could get away with social media posts like this?

Because most of the time they do. For every Floyd, there are probably 10, 20, 30 unnamed African Americans (and other groups too, including whites, just not as disproportionately) who are murdered and the police walk off scott free... sometimes even with video evidence that isn't "quite" conclusive enough to 100% declare them murderers.

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Baruch

Quote from: Mermaid on June 03, 2020, 12:59:09 PM
Who is pretending there was no racial tension when Obama was in office?

Which racial tension?  There were several police brutality cases, which unfortunately were White on Black.  It is better that only African-American police go into those places perhaps.  Then there is only the accusation of Uncle Tomism.  This is an argument for segregation?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 01:11:23 PM
He is living in a world where one hand wearing white glove, the other black. The black gloved hand has no voice and it just keeps attacking the white gloved one which keeps saying 'oh, no! Stop it, oh no!'.

   

Multiracialism is real, borders or no borders.  You can choose your favorite tribe same as soccer club.  Socially this is no different than soccer hooliganism.  At least the soccer teams don't bring "heat" to the playing field.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

#266
Quote from: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 01:14:40 PM
Because most of the time they do. For every Floyd, there are probably 10, 20, 30 unnamed African Americans (and other groups too, including whites, just not as disproportionately) who are murdered and the police walk off scott free... sometimes even with video evidence that isn't "quite" conclusive enough to 100% declare them murderers.

Some actual statistics ...

https://www.statista.com/chart/21872/map-of-police-violence-against-black-americans/

It is a matter of framing.  If African-Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be subject to police violence, when they are 12.6% of the US population.  Whites are 72.4% of the US population.  So given the math 72.4/(12.6*2.5)=2.3 times as many Whites are also subject to police violence.  Of course this might explain why so many of the rioters/looters are White.  More actual statistics ...

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

African-American males are 52.6% of murderers, while only being 12.6/2 = 6.3% of the population.  Of course the answer is sociology ...

If we were just like Red China or the Soviet Union, this wouldn't be happening ;-))

If you are a cop, and you are dealing with an African-American male, you are much more likely to encounter a violent perpetrator than a White grandmother.

My Ex got into supporting the local police department once, and rode with a cop on patrol.  When the cop stopped another driver, the terror for the cop was quite real, not knowing if the stop would end in gunfire.  Definitely not a job I want.  I would shoot first and ask questions later ;-(  We could avoid this incendiary situation by not having police.  Then mobs can go around robbing and murdering at will, with nothing to fear except a "vigilance committee" or armed homeowners.  Criminals would prefer that, particularly if there were no "vigilance committees" or armed homeowners.  Misguided idealists and their politicians are more dangerous to society than a whole prison full of perps.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Blackleaf

Quote from: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 01:15:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z56j06plUgs

"Is that your Bible?"

"It's a Bible."

Trump can't even pretend to care about this unopened Bible he poses with.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

drunkenshoe

#268
Quote from: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 01:14:40 PM
Because most of the time they do. For every Floyd, there are probably 10, 20, 30 unnamed African Americans (and other groups too, including whites, just not as disproportionately) who are murdered and the police walk off scott free... sometimes even with video evidence that isn't "quite" conclusive enough to 100% declare them murderers.

OK. Those are cops. So basically they rely on the systematic, institutional racism. What about civillians? Is it just me, don't you think there must be something about this that we don't see. Is it that simple? They just think it is not going to happen to them?

I have watched the whole video. First of all, he can still make that video and say those things, and he will continue to do it after these events end. The beginning of the end starts when people cannot say those things because of fear which sounds impossible to Americans right now. (It did to us 15 years ago in our scale.) The thing is, this doesn't happen in 1 year or in 5 year or even in 10. He doesn't have that. You don't get how long it takes, just one morning you wake up and find yourself in a world you thought wouldn't happen, something you wouldn't even take it seriously if someone told you years ago. So don't worry. It will be OK.

Not informing Metropolitan police or expeling priests from his church ground is pretty dumb even for him. That's Washington DC not some place with traditional system, if he keeps the police out without even informing them and rely on bringing in the other forces, that usually means he is likely to make this a habit.
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Blackleaf on June 03, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
"Is that your Bible?"

"It's a Bible."

Trump can't even pretend to care about this unopened Bible he poses with.

Forget pretending. He doesn't know how to hold a book in his hand. Yeah those hardcover Bibles are heavy, but what's he doing with it? Ouch.
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp