Author Topic: George Floyd and racial justice  (Read 9937 times)

Offline trdsf

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2020, 05:34:21 PM »
We’re on our third day of protests downtown; county emergency management is advising avoiding the downtown area.

I can sort of understand throwing rocks at the state house, city hall, police HQ -- I don’t approve of the violence, but that seems to me to be political action more than just destruction for destruction’s sake, and Bob knows there’s sufficient reason for the rage.

I do not understand busting up theaters and shops that just happen to be there. At a minimum, that’s counterproductive; I can sympathize to some degree with an attack on the places of power. I cannot sympathize with the destruction of a historic theater, a convenience store, a restaurant.

Things are more peaceful today -- but yesterday, our congresswoman, one of our county commissioners and our president of City Council got pepper-sprayed. And yes, they are all three African-American.

And just ten minutes ago, they have announced a curfew from 10pm to 6am until further notice and activated the state National Guard to deal with the protests.

This is why “May you live in interesting times” is a curse.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Offline Baruch

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2020, 05:41:07 PM »
I don't think that's what he means.

Ethnicity.  Are the Whites Jewish, Hispanic etc?  In the 1992 LA riots, the majority of rioters were Hispanic, and the majority of property victims were Korean.  Doesn't match the Euro-communist diatribe against the US as a KKK hell hole.
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Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Offline Shiranu

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2020, 05:41:53 PM »
This is just a beautiful photograph for Pittsburgh.



Austin had our interstate blockaded by protesters, which is pretty symbolic because in 23' it was literally built where it was to separate the white and black parts of town, and since then has been the racial divider... though recently rich white people (Californians) have been moving in droves to the East side and pricing the African American community out.

Offline Baruch

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2020, 05:45:07 PM »
See, a draft would clear all this up.  And don't give deferment to college students this time ;-)
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Offline drunkenshoe

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2020, 05:58:04 PM »
[Is there somewhere the rich Californians don't move in hordes in the States? I have been listening same things from OR and WA for years now. Inflated real estate prices.]

E: An intact apsis looks fine considering the circumstances.
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Offline aitm

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2020, 06:04:26 PM »
We’re on our third day of protests downtown; county emergency management is advising avoiding the downtown area.

I can sort of understand throwing rocks at the state house, city hall, police HQ -- I don’t approve of the violence, but that seems to me to be political action more than just destruction for destruction’s sake, and Bob knows there’s sufficient reason for the rage.

I do not understand busting up theaters and shops that just happen to be there. At a minimum, that’s counterproductive; I can sympathize to some degree with an attack on the places of power. I cannot sympathize with the destruction of a historic theater, a convenience store, a restaurant.

Things are more peaceful today -- but yesterday, our congresswoman, one of our county commissioners and our president of City Council got pepper-sprayed. And yes, they are all three African-American.

And just ten minutes ago, they have announced a curfew from 10pm to 6am until further notice and activated the state National Guard to deal with the protests.

This is why “May you live in interesting times” is a curse.
I understand and agree with you. The peaceful protest has not worked. Even on the advice of a veteran kneeling as a peaceful protest doesn't work. peaceful protests don't work.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Mermaid

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2020, 06:45:33 PM »
It's fucking exhausting.
We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came.

John F. Kennedy

Online Munch

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2020, 07:36:53 PM »
I understand and agree with you. The peaceful protest has not worked. Even on the advice of a veteran kneeling as a peaceful protest doesn't work. peaceful protests don't work.

Hello Malcolm X

Violent protests don't work either, and especially won't work with a guy like trump as your commander and chief.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Offline Mermaid

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2020, 07:43:03 PM »
Hello Malcolm X

Violent protests don't work either
Untrue.

But are we sure who is perpetrating the violence?
We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came.

John F. Kennedy

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2020, 07:44:11 PM »
yeah. People what things to change for the better there. These violent protests are not helping that however, its just making things worse.

The riots are certainly not a good thing, but it is the only way these people are heard. You know how many people were completely apathetic to the murder of George Floyd, but are suddenly invested in the riots? A lot of people. They are part of the problem.

Racists in uniforms are allowed free reign to discriminate, harass, and even murder people of color, and the government covers up for them. I guarantee you, if there was no photographic or video evidence of the crime, nothing would have happened to the cops. Now those involved have been fired. What a slap on the wrist that is. You know what happens to people who are suspected of murder when they're not wearing a badge? They go to prison to await trail. But these guys get to wait at home, surrounded by guards to protect them until things blow over, while Conservatives play the "innocent until proven guilty" card.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2020, 07:46:43 PM »


This is what tyranny looks like.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2020, 08:17:12 PM »
Oh, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Online Munch

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2020, 09:40:54 PM »
The riots are certainly not a good thing, but it is the only way these people are heard. You know how many people were completely apathetic to the murder of George Floyd, but are suddenly invested in the riots? A lot of people. They are part of the problem.

Racists in uniforms are allowed free reign to discriminate, harass, and even murder people of color, and the government covers up for them. I guarantee you, if there was no photographic or video evidence of the crime, nothing would have happened to the cops. Now those involved have been fired. What a slap on the wrist that is. You know what happens to people who are suspected of murder when they're not wearing a badge? They go to prison to await trail. But these guys get to wait at home, surrounded by guards to protect them until things blow over, while Conservatives play the "innocent until proven guilty" card.

honestly, you guys over there just have a complete systematic problem all over. Your gun laws are easy and while that remains there won't be a end to things like mass shootings or all other related gun crime. Living in such a state of tension its no wonder police develop violent and trigger happy tendencies, and the worst of them it just brings out the crocked states of mind like seeing anyone they deem less then themselves as a threat and so abuse the power they have.
And because its the same systematic issue, it results in retaliation of the worst kind based on that same level of fear and tension always hanging over them.

This isn't just a case of saying 'if we fix racism it'll fix everything', because you have a lot more problems there then just that.
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'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Offline Hydra009

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2020, 09:56:02 PM »
honestly, you guys over there just have a complete systematic problem all over. Your gun laws are easy and while they remains there won't be a end to things like mass shootings or all other related gun crime. Living in such a state of tension its no wonder police develop violent and trigger happy tendencies, and the worst of them it just brings out the crocked states of mind like seeing anyone they deem less then themselves as a threat and so abuse the power they have.
Add to that the fact that these violent tendencies are ignored or excused.  So someone that's been roughing up people unnecessarily for years "accidentally" kills a defenseless person.  Oopsie!  My bad.  Guess I'll go on paid leave for a couple months.

And the establishment just accepts that "these sorts of things happen" and we shouldn't rush to judgment because these people have hard and dangerous jobs.  Oh really?  Pizza delivery drivers are way more likely to get killed on the job but you don't see them crush someone's neck or shoot their dog or shoot at a cameraman or drive-by tear gas a nonviolent crowd.

When you put lethal weapons into the hands of people with zero accountability, you get serious problems.  Throw racial tensions into the mix, you get a real shitstorm.

Offline Baruch

Re: George Floyd and racial justice
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2020, 10:19:22 PM »
Hello Malcolm X

Violent protests don't work either, and especially won't work with a guy like trump as your commander and chief.

What is "work" .. like that Dem President "depends on what "is" is".  If the point is Helter Skelter Charles Manson, the Dems are doing great.  And no White Hooded Costumes this time, that is too much of a "Dead" give away.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2020, 10:31:49 PM by Baruch »
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.