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Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« on: April 14, 2020, 12:01:53 AM »
It's weird because I had a dream where I died but my spirit was still able to roam the Earth and see everything...

But does it happen?
Something, something, something...

Online Hydra009

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2020, 12:04:24 AM »

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2020, 12:46:39 AM »
Does Donald Duck lay eggs????
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2020, 01:06:13 AM »
Does Donald Duck lay eggs????

He can, but he's not supposed to.

"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2020, 05:14:21 AM »
If they do, I'm haunting many people.

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2020, 05:38:39 AM »
Dreams are just incoherent thoughts that we try to hammer into a rational scenario. There's no reality involved.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Baruch

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2020, 10:50:52 AM »
It's weird because I had a dream where I died but my spirit was still able to roam the Earth and see everything...

But does it happen?

Out of body experiences are metaphysical, not physical.  When you are asleep you are partly independent of time, space and personal identity.  Atheist deny the metaphysical, so for them, dream are just a bad reaction to what they had for supper ;-)  Regardless, the meaning of dreams is mostly too incoherent to interpret anyway.  You are trying to interpret your dream as a post-life ... but it may have been a pre-life, a parallel life or just something you had for supper that disagreed with you ;-))

A few nights back, I saw my parents, who have been "gone" for a number of years ... didn't seem to be much like heaven, hell, purgatory or a past memory.  Upon waking I was just happy to see them, and left it at that.
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Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Offline aitm

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2020, 11:52:26 AM »
I had a dream I was fucking Jessica Alba....just waiting for the reality show to show up.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Baruch

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2020, 12:19:05 PM »
I had a dream I was fucking Jessica Alba....just waiting for the reality show to show up.

Well, some dreams are sexy.  And we actually change sexes or sexual preferences compared to our daylight identity.  Are you sure you weren't Jessica Alba ... getting fucked?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2020, 01:33:14 PM »
I had a dream I was fucking Jessica Alba....just waiting for the reality show to show up.
Fucking Jessica Alba has never dreamed she was you.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Sal1981

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2020, 06:03:53 PM »
You're lucky you even remember your dreams. I hardly remember mine.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Offline aitm

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2020, 07:48:43 PM »
Well, some dreams are sexy.  And we actually change sexes or sexual preferences compared to our daylight identity.  Are you sure you weren't Jessica Alba ... getting fucked?
Now now. Don't  go projecting your issues to me.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline aitm

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2020, 07:50:14 PM »
Fucking Jessica Alba has never dreamed she was you.
Hell yer jealous of my dream! 😏
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2020, 07:06:36 PM »
Here we go again...

Out of body experiences are metaphysical, not physical.  When you are asleep you are partly independent of time, space and personal identity.

There is zero evidence for any of this.

Seems (as always) you are putting the cart before the horse. Before you can demonstrate that "out of body experiences" are metaphysical, you have to demonstrate that the metaphysical (as I think you are using the term) exists. After all, something that does not exist, can not be the cause of anything else.

To make things worse, you also need to demonstrate that out of body experiences actually occur, in the real sense of some bit of one's consciousness, leaving one's body, as opposed to being a mental experience only. After all, there are hospital rooms all over the world, that place images face up on top of cabinets, and not one person who has claimed that they leave their body during a resuscitation or surgery, and claims to have viewed the event from above, has ever been able to report they saw the image.

Does this prove that OBE experiences don't happen? No. But they go along way toward deconfirming them.


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Atheist deny the metaphysical, so for them, dream are just a bad reaction to what they had for supper ;-)

I do not 'deny' the metaphysical. I just am unconvinced that it exists. Please tell me, what should be my justification to accept the proposition that the metaphysical exists?

Same goes for: gods, ghosts, bigfoot, Chupacabra, etc, etc. I do not deny they exist, I just do not find any warrant of justification to believe they do exist.

And thus, my ongoing interactions with theists. All I want, is the believe as many true things as possible, and to eliminate from my beliefs as many untrue things as possible. If a theist has good, evidential, rational, and logically valid and sound justification for their beliefs, I want to know it. But what do we continue to get instead? People claiming their personal experiences, various ancient texts, flawed and fallacious 'logical' arguments (Kalam, teleological, ontological, presuppositional arguments), etc as evidence.

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Regardless, the meaning of dreams is mostly too incoherent to interpret anyway.  You are trying to interpret your dream as a post-life ... but it may have been a pre-life, a parallel life or just something you had for supper that disagreed with you ;-))

Or, the meaning may be nothing more than your mind integrating all that it took in that day, with your previous memories, knowledge, beliefs, etc. And what do you know? That explanation does not require any presuppositions of metaphysical realms, that mysteriously remain invisible to detection.

Funny how, all through the history of humanity, whenever some phenomena with metaphysical explanations, has actually been explained, it has turned out to be a natural explanation, everytime.
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And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence - Russell

Offline trdsf

Re: Does your spirit still roam the Earth after you die?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2020, 11:18:50 PM »
It's weird because I had a dream where I died but my spirit was still able to roam the Earth and see everything...

But does it happen?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Hell no.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan