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Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« on: April 12, 2020, 05:52:42 AM »
Good morning,

My name is Holubice, a middle aged man form Italy. Please excuse me for my next mistakes, here and forward, as English is not my mother tongue. I have never been a religious man, since I was about 10-11 years old, I have never been interested on Church, priests, Gospel, and whatever. I just didn't care at all, till I was 30 years old, as I had a N.D.E....

Near-death experience



... to understand what I mean. This even has completely transformed my live, upside-down, since that day changed completely  my goals, my points of views and my beliefs. Just afterward my 'trip', I read again the Gospel and, in just one night, I got an impressive controls of Holy Bible.

 I have spent about 15 years to try to convert your colleagues (the Italians Atheist Forum) with (honestly) poor results.  I'm also sure that the present Pandemia have to be named into Plague, because:

  • This virus does not kill innocent babies
  • This virus does not kill the poor Black Men in the poorest countries of Africa
  • This virus does not kill the poor immigrants living in the richest West countries
  • This virus is killing those countries that have been egoist and ruthless towards refugees
  • Canada and United States have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Canada, why it is a hecatomb in USA?
  • Germany and France have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths  in Germany, why it is a hecatomb in France?
  • Sweden and Switzerland have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Sweden, why it is a hecatomb in Switzerland?
I know those explanations may disappoint some of you, but that it is. I'm typing in different forums, so I may be late to respond you. That's all for now.





« Last Edit: April 12, 2020, 06:10:49 AM by Holubice »
"For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire"
(John the Baptist)

Offline SGOS

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2020, 08:43:45 AM »
Good morning,
My name is Holubice, a middle aged man form Italy. Please excuse me for my next mistakes, here and forward, as English is not my mother tongue.
You mistakes in grammar and language are fine.  However, your reasoning concerns me.  I was raised and taught to believe in God, but as I got older, I started looking at it logically.  I decided Christianity and religion were nonsense at worst or just props to deal with reality.  Your NDE was a dream, and from that dream you interpreted a god.  Your personal anecdotes don't impress me.  Telling me you found God on an oxygen deprived brain of a near death experience is about the worst evidence you can begin this discussion with.

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2020, 08:50:57 AM »
Welcome to the forum.  Hope you stick around--well, maybe.  You have the right to believe anything you want.  But don't expect me to think you are right, for you aren't right.  I can tell from your post that you are not much of a thinker or searcher for facts; you are a theist who can only use their emotions and then accept all this god/jesus stuff based only on beliefs. 

I don't mind discussing any aspect of your fictional religion, but I'll be using facts and reasoning; can you do that? 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline aitm

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2020, 09:20:05 AM »
Well your first four “points” are wrong. The last three just jibberish.
Oh welcome formerly brain oxygen deprived person.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2020, 09:25:57 AM »
You mistakes in grammar and language are fine.  However, your reasoning concerns me.  I was raised and taught to believe in God, but as I got older, I started looking at it logically.  I decided Christianity and religion were nonsense at worst or just props to deal with reality.  Your NDE was a dream, and from that dream you interpreted a god.  Your personal anecdotes don't impress me.  Telling me you found God on an oxygen deprived brain of a near death experience is about the worst evidence you can begin this discussion with.
This introduction is to explain where everything begun. I never talk of my N.D.E. around as, from my experience, I know anybody think you got somehow crazy, or nearby...

The most  important event it's the great control of Holy Bible I got soon afterward, that it's the real reason I'm here in your site, in several different other forums, using all the languages I know. As I have a message, and an alert to give to you. I have to advice you, and soon afterward, you have to help me. As, I am sure, this is the Beginning of the End. In other word, this:


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"For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire"
(John the Baptist)

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2020, 09:42:25 AM »
Welcome to the forum.  Hope you stick around--well, maybe.  You have the right to believe anything you want.  But don't expect me to think you are right, for you aren't right.  I can tell from your post that you are not much of a thinker or searcher for facts; you are a theist who can only use their emotions and then accept all this god/jesus stuff based only on beliefs. 

I don't mind discussing any aspect of your fictional religion, but I'll be using facts and reasoning; can you do that?
If you are interested on what I have to say, I will talk to you. Otherwise I will add your user in my ignore list, and I will continue with your mates in the forum (If any). You feel free to do the same with my user. I have not time to loose in explanation. I have spent 15 years in doing so here (Italian Atheist Forum) so I know by memory all yours counter-argument (Occam rule, Russel's pot, Invisibile Unicorn, etc, etc...). I am in a hurry. If you ban me, will pass over to another place, as I have been ordered to do


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Remember: He came 2.000 years ago as Savior. He's coming back as Judge.


"For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire"
(John the Baptist)

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2020, 09:48:24 AM »
Well your first four “points” are wrong. The last three just jibberish.
Oh welcome formerly brain oxygen deprived person.
My first 4 points are incontrovertible.

Look at the chart of deaths all around the World, and you will see the 'strange' oddity I have stressed out.

This Virus is looking for the persons who has to kill.

"For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire"
(John the Baptist)

Offline SGOS

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2020, 09:52:18 AM »
I have a message, and an alert to give to you. I have to advice you
I've already heard the message and been advised.  I just don't believe the message.

Offline Baruch

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2020, 10:09:58 AM »
Ciao, Holubice ...

We have many strange experiences.  I don't doubt a sincere anecdote.  Two nights ago I was with my parents, now deceased, in a dream I had.  For me, paranormal experiences are a "different kind of reality" from regular waking consciousness.  Because I am an empiricist first, rationalist second.  We have many confusing experiences while dreaming, or in visions etc.  Some more interesting than others, particularly vivid dreams.  I have met Napoleon Bonaparte at a wine-cheese party in Paris circa 1800 for example.  For me, ordinary experience is miraculous, and easier to understand.  But having unusual experiences did help me escape the normal confirmation bias we get from daily life.

Next time, post in Introductions please.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2020, 10:18:36 AM »
I've already heard the message and been advised.  I just don't believe the message.
Ok, but stay tuned on news here forward...

Coronavirus: New York ramps up mass burials amid outbreak



"... Workers in hazmat outfits were seen stacking wooden coffins in deep trenches in Hart Island.
Officials say burials are being ramped up at site, which has long been used for people with no next-of-kin or families who cannot afford a funeral.
New York state now has more coronavirus cases than any single country.
The state's confirmed caseload of Covid-19 is nearly 162,000, of whom 7,844 have died.
Spain has recorded about 157,000 cases and Italy 143,600, while China, where the virus emerged last year, has nearly 83,000 cases.
The US as a whole has recorded 467,000 cases and about 16,700 deaths. Globally there are 1.6 million cases and 97,000 deaths...."
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Evidence from Wuhan’s morgues, crematoriums suggests COVID-19 deaths 20 times higher than official count




"... Chinese government data for Wuhan show that 2,535 people died and 50,006 were infected, but realistic numbers are 50,000 dead and 2.5 million infected.  ..."
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Don't look at my posts. Look outside your window.




"For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire"
(John the Baptist)

Offline SGOS

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2020, 10:25:14 AM »
I can't imagine a real theist choosing Ned Flanders as an avatar, even as lovable as Ned was, I think we have a troll.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2020, 11:40:45 AM by SGOS »

Offline Baruch

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2020, 10:53:02 AM »
Maybe he has a new Covid symptom ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Offline aitm

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2020, 11:18:37 AM »
My first 4 points are incontrovertible.

If by “incontrovertible” you actually mean bullshit, then you are correct. Your “facts” are as much bullshit as your babble.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2020, 11:49:04 AM »
If you are interested on what I have to say, I will talk to you. Otherwise I will add your user in my ignore list, and I will continue with your mates in the forum (If any). You feel free to do the same with my user. I have not time to loose in explanation. I have spent 15 years in doing so here (Italian Atheist Forum) so I know by memory all yours counter-argument (Occam rule, Russel's pot, Invisibile Unicorn, etc, etc...). I am in a hurry. If you ban me, will pass over to another place, as I have been ordered to do


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Remember: He came 2.000 years ago as Savior. He's coming back as Judge.
Let's start with your wonderful, fanciful, and fictional jesus.  He is not a real person.  He is a fiction.  Can you show me the error of my ways?  Offer me some kind of evidence that he did exist, except in the minds of his creators.  You can't offer me any writer who was a witness of this supposed person/creature/fiction, because none wrote about him.  And no, the bible does not count.  And even in the bible, starting with the earliest writer, Paul, he wrote his first 'book' in the 50's, and the other authors of the NT are unknown and their material was written starting in the 70's. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2020, 12:45:44 PM »
I can't imagine a real theist choosing Ned Flanders as an avatar, even as lovable as Ned was, I think we have a troll.
I'm not Theist. Voltair was a theist. I am a Christian.

And I'm using Ned Flanders since a long time ago... Again, fell free to check it out...

Instant guide Italian Atheist Forum

... don't get me wrong: I don't want to divert all of you to your colleague in my country, I just want to prove you I'm trying to persuade people like you since a long time ago, when nobody could suspect such a great mess like now.




"For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire"
(John the Baptist)