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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2020, 07:47:23 PM »
Notice how AntiFa and BLM, who are totally NOT Marxist ... remember all their Marxist indoctrination, including how to do a revolution ...





Except 2020 isn't 1917, the US isn't the Russian Empire, President Trump isn't the Czar and McConnell isn't Kerensky.
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Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2020, 10:31:00 AM »
Myth is not history.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2020, 11:27:15 AM »
Per political indoctrination, all history is myth
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Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2020, 02:28:03 PM »
Luckily, historians don't care what you think any more that any other sapient on this planet.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2020, 05:33:37 PM »
Luckily, historians don't care what you think any more that any other sapient on this planet.

Historians = self promoting politicians like Churchill, or drudges who shill for some political party.

So was Cortes right or Montezuma right?  Partisanship doesn't get any credit with me.

If mass violence is just some statistically anomalous mass psych behavior, then nobody was at fault for WW II, statistics is at fault.

Was that Mafia history (on other string) good or not?  Depends on if you support the Mafia or the Italian government.
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Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2020, 05:57:31 AM »
I was a working historian for decades, zero self-promotion involved.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2020, 10:09:58 AM »
I was a working historian for decades, zero self-promotion involved.

This is a web site for virtue signaling.  But you might be an exception .. neutral history is possible, but only if you are an Independent.
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Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #52 on: August 24, 2020, 05:15:46 PM »
This is a web site for virtue signaling.  But you might be an exception .. neutral history is possible, but only if you are an Independent.
ibiblio.org/hyperwar
ibiblio.org/pha
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2020, 08:48:19 PM »
ibiblio.org/hyperwar
ibiblio.org/pha

What happens when official documents are falsified for security or self serving, like Churchill not mentioning Ultra or Susan Rice's self serving email regarding the Jan 5 2017 meeting in the President's office regarding continuing the pressure on Flynn/Trump even though FBI admitted that their investigation was a dry hole?  I love the phone recording of LBJ and J Edgar, after the assassination, where they act all innocent and surprised!

Any document by the government, is confidential for all time.  Two confidential documents when combined, can even have elevated security rating (this happened to an officer I know, who accidentally did this at a brief of the commander).  Sometimes released with redactions, but we don't know if the redacted document is the original.  Gerald Ford was in on the Warren Commission, and got a handsome reward.  One can take a neutral approach to official documents, but if you look at the case of Mary Queen of Scotts, she was entrapped, by better spooks than Comey tried with Flynn.

‘Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive’
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Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2020, 06:19:50 AM »
Draw as many artificial boundaries as you need to prevent your world view from being invaded.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2020, 09:28:35 AM »
Cynicism is a win in any century.  Official narrative by Cheops, Pharaoh of the first Great Pyramid … not so much.
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2020, 02:29:19 PM »
The Greek Bible (Iliad and Odyssey) is as much a foundation of the West as the OT ...

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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2020, 08:25:13 PM »
For the fools who destroy statues ...



Replacement video that covers iconoclasm
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2020, 12:03:51 PM »


The US returned to the foreign policy of pre-1945 ... in 1991.  This is why we have endless wars for war profiteering, and drug supply for the CIA.
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2020, 01:17:39 PM »
The US isn't a democracy, but a republic.  But what is a republic?  A continuation of the Roman Republic (the original) by other means.  The Roman Republic was in a state of civil war for nearly 100 years before Caesar was assassinated.  The Populi vs the Patrici ... populists (Dems) vs elites (Reps).  Dems should do the full Roman salute with the Left arm, Reps should do the full Roman salute with the Right arm.  There was no Republic without Rome.  Which was organized crime and war profiteering, especially the slave markets which were mostly prisoners of war and abandoned infants in the cities rescued by slavers (see 14 year old runaway girls now).



A chant like this should be the anthem of every Western country ...



Pagan, materialist, Greco-Roman.  And then there are the Judaioi and the Christianoi (because they were mostly in Greek speaking Roman territory).  Western atheists are former Christians/former Jews mostly.  Godless pagans ;-)  Not that there is anything wrong with paganism (see my poem about Bacchus) or being godless.  But most people  thru history are superstitious, particularly about godlessness (wrong god or no god) and punished it severely.
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