Author Topic: History is as much myth as fact  (Read 1604 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2020, 02:45:53 PM »
Chinese strategic tripwires ... cross at your peril!

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Online Draconic Aiur

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2020, 02:55:49 AM »
When history dies, it drowns in myth. At present, history is under seige from both sides of politics. Both telling lies.

Truth never dies. It's the Bullshit that dies.

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2020, 05:08:10 AM »
Lazy is the enemy of history.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2020, 03:26:02 PM »
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2020, 02:21:03 AM »
Is this title from the Man in the Iron Mask?
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2020, 10:29:21 AM »
Is this title from the Man in the Iron Mask?

Clever.  Are you the woman villain from The Three Musketeers?



I just love Milla!
« Last Edit: May 17, 2020, 10:32:25 AM by Baruch »
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2020, 09:01:13 AM »
Even labor socialism kills, not just GB in the 70s ...



Politicians and labor union bosses are not your friends.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2020, 04:50:10 PM »
Clever.

No, weird memory. I didn't google that.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2020, 06:20:12 PM »
OK I googled it. LOL
                   

"Some of this is legend, but at least this much is fact..."
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2020, 07:18:53 AM »
KonTiki as projection …



Progressives projected their prejudices in the 1700s and even more recently (Jared Diamond)

Apocalypse occurs with destruction of native cultures by germs and misguided virtue signaling.
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2020, 03:37:26 PM »
@Munch ... your Blackshirts are at it again ...

"London statue of Winston Churchill vandalized on D-Day amid protests" ... vandalize Labour Party HQ instead?
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2020, 08:26:40 PM »
"The last person to receive a Civil War-era pension died last week" ... her father a dual South/North veteran had his daughter when he was 83.  She died at 90.  Both veterans, their wives and their children received pensions.
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2020, 03:30:47 PM »
"Night of the Assassins" by Howard Blum … the plot (Operation Long Jump) by the Nazis to assassinate FDR, Churchill, Stalin at Tehran.  My grandfather was in the US Army (Corp of Engineers) at Tehran at that time.  German special forces were parachuted in.  The Corp of Engineers had built water tunnels to supply the US Embassy.  British traitor (code name Cicero) in the Turkish embassy was paid a million dollars to give out the location of the conference.  Turned out, he was given counterfeit money by the Nazis.  After the war, he tried to sue Germany for justice, but died broke.  A double agent of the Soviet Union, arranged a reception party by Soviet troops, and the main German team (three dozen) are gunned down.  But there are already six assassins on the ground before this.  Ongoing breakdown of the plan, led to the previously unguarded water tunnels being guarded.  And a $20,000 reward leads the Iranians to arrest the assassins.
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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2020, 02:16:24 PM »
@Munch ... your Blackshirts are at it again ...

"London statue of Winston Churchill vandalized on D-Day amid protests" ... vandalize Labour Party HQ instead?

“One may dislike Hitler’s system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations." - Winston Churchill

“If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism." - Winston Churchill

The real reason to cancel Churchill, before WWII, he praised Hitler and Mussolini.

Boris Johnson vs Hitler in 2016 ... when Boris was still mayor of London

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Offline Baruch

Re: History is as much myth as fact
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2020, 01:43:38 PM »
A great sea-yarn in General Sherman's memoirs ...

“In the very midst of this panic came the news that the steamer Central America, formerly the George Law, with six hundred passengers and about sixteen hundred thousand dollars of treasure, coming from Aspinwall, had foundered at sea, off the coast of Georgia, and that about sixty of the passengers had been providentially picked up by a Swedish bark, and brought into Savannah. The absolute loss of this treasure went to swell the confusion and panic of the day. A few days after, I was standing in the vestibule of the Metropolitan Hotel, and heard the captain of the Swedish bark tell his singular story of the rescue of these passengers. He was a short, sailor-like-looking man, with a strong German or Swedish accent. He said that he was sailing from some port in Honduras for Sweden, running down the Gulf Stream off Savannah. The weather had been heavy for some days, and, about nightfall, as he paced his deck, he observed a man-of-war hawk circle about his vessel, gradually lowering, until the bird was as it were aiming at him. He jerked out a belaying pin, struck at the bird, missed it, when the hawk again rose high in the air, and a second time began to descend, contract his circle, and make at him again. The second time he hit the bird, and struck it to the deck. . . . This strange fact made him uneasy, and he thought it betokened danger; he went to the binnacle, saw the course he was steering, and without any particular reason he ordered the steersman to alter the course one point to the east. After this it became quite dark, and he continued to promenade the deck, and had settled into a drowsy state, when as in a dream he thought he heard voices all round his ship. Waking up, he ran to the side of the ship, saw something struggling in the water, and heard clearly cries for help. Instantly heaving his ship to, and lowering all his boats, he managed to pick up sixty or more persons who were floating about on skylights, doors, spare, and whatever fragments remained of the Central America. Had he not changed the course of his vessel by reason of the mysterious conduct of that man-of-war hawk, not a soul would probably have survived the night.”  - General Sherman

This wreck was found in our time, and its treasure recovered off the bottom of the Atlantic
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