Author Topic: The last invention: AI  (Read 1295 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2020, 12:30:53 PM »
"Driver Using "Autopilot"-Technology Criminally-Charged After Collision" ... funny how technical progress fans forget that laws, liability and lawyers exist.  Thinking that Elon Musk et all or the programmer will pay for this, is delusional.  This is exactly why I turned against AI in 2005, because the question of liability for the results of program execution was ... ignored.  Usually in the US, a technical person is protected from liability, like any other Nazi, because they are part of a corporation and "were only following orders".  Unless you disobey orders, then the corporation will throw you to the wolves.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2020, 12:32:51 PM by Baruch »
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Offline Sal1981

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2020, 12:39:38 PM »
Elon Musk is a hack and steals ideas from other engineers and researchers.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2020, 12:41:30 PM »
Elon Musk is a hack and steals ideas from other engineers and researchers.

Like any other business executive.  When an engineer or programmer, I didn't own it or make it, the corporation owns it and made it.

Him in particular, he is a bit unstable mentally.  Too much brains, too small a head?
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Offline Sal1981

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2020, 12:44:56 PM »
Like any other business executive.  When an engineer or programmer, I didn't own it or make it, the corporation owns it and made it.

Him in particular, he is a bit unstable mentally.  Too much brains, too small a head?
I speculate that he's hiding his power level, politically and overall ideologically. Which I suspect isn't all the surprising when you read up on the guy.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Offline Baruch

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
I speculate that he's hiding his power level, politically and overall ideologically. Which I suspect isn't all the surprising when you read up on the guy.

He is a Saiyan?  Hope he isn't Majin Boo!  I hate that guy!!
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Offline Sal1981

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2020, 01:15:49 PM »
He is a Saiyan?  Hope he isn't Majin Boo!  I hate that guy!!
It's a silly meme about having a hidden agenda.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2020, 02:13:54 PM »
It's a silly meme about having a hidden agenda.

There are always two agendas.  The fake public one and the real hidden one.  Paranoids agree on this ;-)
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Offline Sal1981

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2020, 11:49:57 AM »
There are always two agendas.  The fake public one and the real hidden one.  Paranoids agree on this ;-)
Can any authentic people please stand up? No? Then I have an ideology on last minute sale, just for you.

Don't be informed about AI by clickbait from the MSM. Check out computer scientists with YouTube channels (yes, unironically) to be better informed about it. I suggest Robert Miles to start out:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLB7AzTwc6VFZrBsO2ucBMg
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Offline Baruch

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2020, 12:21:21 PM »
I don't blame Journalists for technical hype.  They are doing what they are paid for, and they aren't even English majors ;-)
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Offline Baruch

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2020, 02:22:48 PM »
"German Court Rules Tesla Autopilot Claims Are "Misleading Business Practices" And Can't Be Used For Advertising" ... claiming AI autopilot can drive for you unassisted is false advertising.
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Offline Mr.Obvious

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Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2020, 12:36:38 PM »
You know, I'm not sure why people assume ai will lead to mankind's extermination. I don't question it in amusement media. But does intelligence itself entail hostility? Self preservation? The need to conquer? The drive to reproduce? The idea of superiority?
Are these concepts intrinsically linked to intelligence? Or are they merely different traits we exhibit alongside the trait of a modicum of intelligence? Indeed did not these traits, at least all but the latter, predate intelligence? Why would an ai without these traits desire to replace humanity? Or even defend itself?
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Offline Baruch

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2020, 12:51:05 PM »
You know, I'm not sure why people assume ai will lead to mankind's extermination. I don't question it in amusement media. But does intelligence itself entail hostility? Self preservation? The need to conquer? The drive to reproduce? The idea of superiority?
Are these concepts intrinsically linked to intelligence? Or are they merely different traits we exhibit alongside the trait of a modicum of intelligence? Indeed did not these traits, at least all but the latter, predate intelligence? Why would an ai without these traits desire to replace humanity? Or even defend itself?

Karl Marx believed that the steam engine would lead to utopia.  Stupid grifter finance people hope to make 200% on their investments, trying to invest in the next McDonalds.  I was in AAAI (American Association of Artificial Intelligence) in the mid 80s, until I found out it was a marketing scam.  It still is.  Technology comes along, some of it useful (not in-line roller skates).  It is helpful, if it is a software gimmick, to call it AI.  So what is called AI has changed continuously since the 1950s.  Academics grifted on this until the mid-80s when the hype went commercial.  That is when the academic scam became a government scam (AI will revolutionize warfare).

Originally chess playing algorithms  were called AI, because only smart people play chess ;-)  Saint Alan Turing started this crap during his mental decline, wanted to make the first chess playing computer.  Today that is trivially available, not called AI at all.  The best chess playing system (Deep Blue in 1997) doesn't analyze the chess board like a human chess master.  Deep Blue uses fast blind search.  I remember there being hand held toys that played chess in the 80s.  They are available for $40 each now.  On that basis, globalist Elite want to achieve the Capitalist version of Marxism (no employees).

The current fad is deep level neural nets (aka ML aka Machine Learning).  Better than the crap from the 90s (not deep enough then).  It does work to "recognize" letters optically (OCR), for auto conversion of written documents into computer text.  But it has no intelligence, it is simply a "conditioned" pattern recognition system, that works if you put lots of the right training data into it, and don't challenge it with letters from a different writing system (English trained neural net won't OCR Chinese).

Another current fad is quantum computing.  Because quantum mechanics is mysterious (at least to business majors).  One billion dollars of research has gone into it, but the current champion, D-Wave, is challenged as not being a real quantum computer at all, but a specialized analog computer that may not actually be manifesting unique quantum effects.  So of course, the grifters now are marketing Quantum Computing + Machine Learning.  General purpose quantum computers are available, but only for trivial projects.  Research physics is ongoing, and quite challenging, so as a research program only, it is a success for academics.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2020, 01:33:04 PM by Baruch »
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Offline Baruch

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2020, 12:13:42 PM »
"Tesla In Switzerland Veers Off Road, Gets Stuck On Train Tracks, Before Needing To Be Removed By Crane" ... Elon Musk is the ultimate commercial AI grifter.  He is not a genius, just a pot smoker who dreams of a Mars colony for John Galt.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2020, 12:16:46 PM by Baruch »
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Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2020, 12:53:44 PM »
"Tesla In Switzerland Veers Off Road, Gets Stuck On Train Tracks, Before Needing To Be Removed By Crane" ... Elon Musk is the ultimate commercial AI grifter.  He is not a genius, just a pot smoker who dreams of a Mars colony for John Galt.

He can be both.
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Offline Sal1981

Re: The last invention: AI
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2020, 01:22:00 PM »
You know, I'm not sure why people assume ai will lead to mankind's extermination. I don't question it in amusement media. But does intelligence itself entail hostility? Self preservation? The need to conquer? The drive to reproduce? The idea of superiority?
Are these concepts intrinsically linked to intelligence? Or are they merely different traits we exhibit alongside the trait of a modicum of intelligence? Indeed did not these traits, at least all but the latter, predate intelligence? Why would an ai without these traits desire to replace humanity? Or even defend itself?
I blame scifi movies drenched in anthropomorphic depictions of AI. Every movie and show I've seen does this error. I can't even think if of a movie or show that hasn't done this infusion.

An intelligence not rife with human "values" and predispositions will think very differently from us. Kurzgesagt recently made an excellent topical vid on intelligence laying out the main modules of it and how it operates.

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