Great forum!

[Jagella]

So far I can say I really like this forum. Not only do I get a lot of sensible feedback from the other members, but the mods do not interfere with the discussions here. I recently left another forum because of such interference. If I'm invited into a discussion board, I want to freely discuss the issues. I'm glad that so far at least I'm free to speak my mind.

To make this forum even better, I'd like to see more religious members who can argue for their faith. I really enjoy debating Christians.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ask them why THEIR version of Christianity is the right one.

[Jagella]

Ask them why THEIR version of Christianity is the right one.

Well, if some Christians were here, that would be a good question to ask them.

Anyway, one possible reason for the lack of Christians here might be that they fear that their arguments can never endure under the scrutiny of atheists. Most of the Christian forums impose a playing field that is slanted against unbelievers. That way they hope to ensure that their beliefs hold up.

[Unbeliever]

We get Christians once in a while, and sometimes a Muslim will come here to make assertions about their religion, but that's all they can ever do is assert, and expect us to believe them. They have no arguments, but they often believe that they do, so they come here to try them out on us. They don't usually stay for long.

[aitm]

well we got a JW now......have fun.

[Jagella]

We get Christians once in a while, and sometimes a Muslim will come here to make assertions about their religion, but that's all they can ever do is assert, and expect us to believe them. They have no arguments, but they often believe that they do, so they come here to try them out on us. They don't usually stay for long.

I've seen much of what you're describing hundreds of times. The religious have their arguments that for them, serve to convince or at least alleviate the doubts for a while. Such arguments almost always are woefully inadequate if scrutinized under critical thinking. Once the religious person realizes that her or his position is hopeless, she or he will beat a hasty retreat taking care not to concede defeat and hoping nobody notices. The skeptic will often be derided as "angry" or "bitter" for no other reason than for refuting the religious person's apologetic.

So apologetics is only effective if people already want to believe it. In an open forum like this one, apologetics arguments are quickly shredded.

[Jagella]

well we got a JW now......have fun.

Let me at 'em!

[Holubice]

So far I can say I really like this forum. Not only do I get a lot of sensible feedback from the other members, but the mods do not interfere with the discussions here. I recently left another forum because of such interference. If I'm invited into a discussion board, I want to freely discuss the issues. I'm glad that so far at least I'm free to speak my mind.

To make this forum even better, I'd like to see more religious members who can argue for their faith. I really enjoy debating Christians.

I thank you Jagella,
But I wanna be honest with you, and with your mates: I don't want only you listen to me, I want also, in a very short time,  you will help me to advice, to alert, as many people as it is possible. As I'm sure we are in danger, and we have really a few time be left.

That's why I am so assertive and, sometimes, rude. Because I'm sure the present situation, this Pandemic nobody is really able to stop, nowhere, it is just the Beginning of the End. In other words, we will see soon these disasters, and in this order:

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[SGOS]

I don't want only you listen to me, I want also, in a very short time,  you will help me to advice, to alert, as many people as it is possible.

You want to give advice, but you don't want to take advice.  This is a big problem with religious fundamentalists.  They don't want to learn. They just want others to believe what they do, no matter how stupid those beliefs are.

As I'm sure we are in danger, and we have really a few time be left.

We know we are in danger.  We know our president has screwed the pooch on this one.  You should write a letter to him, but saddly, he doesn't listen any better than you do.

That's why I am so assertive and, sometimes, rude. Because I'm sure the present situation,

Yes, the present situation is bad.  This is the worst pandemic I have lived through.  I was born in 1943.  What we have observed so far is that we can take actual action to reduce casualties given competent leadership.  Humans can take steps to bring society through this with the least amount of suffering given competent leadership, which I agree is missing.  You can pray to God, that's fine, but if you can't do something to actually help, get out of the way.


Being sure is not the same thing as being right. 

[Sal1981]

I thank you Jagella,
But I wanna be honest with you, and with your mates: I don't want only you listen to me, I want also, in a very short time,  you will help me to advice, to alert, as many people as it is possible. As I'm sure we are in danger, and we have really a few time be left.

That's why I am so assertive and, sometimes, rude. Because I'm sure the present situation, this Pandemic nobody is really able to stop, nowhere, it is just the Beginning of the End. In other words, we will see soon these disasters, and in this order:

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The Covid-19 pandemic won't kill us all, seeing as its mortality rate is around 2%-3%. Were you around 102 years ago, you would've said the same thing about the Spanish flu pandemic.

[Baruch]

The Covid-19 pandemic won't kill us all, seeing as its mortality rate is around 2%-3%. Were you around 102 years ago, you would've said the same thing about the Spanish flu pandemic.

Correct ... the commie-demic killed more people, eventually.

[Jagella]

I thank you Jagella,
But I wanna be honest with you, and with your mates: I don't want only you listen to me, I want also, in a very short time,  you will help me to advice, to alert, as many people as it is possible. As I'm sure we are in danger, and we have really a few time be left.

That's why I am so assertive and, sometimes, rude. Because I'm sure the present situation, this Pandemic nobody is really able to stop, nowhere, it is just the Beginning of the End. In other words, we will see soon these disasters, and in this order...

Jesus is always coming but never arriving. How long have you believed "the end is nigh"? I've been hearing about it for fifty years or more.

[Baruch]

Jesus is always coming but never arriving. How long have you believed "the end is nigh"? I've been hearing about it for fifty years or more.

It is an attitude of course, not a timeline.  Maximal pessimism.  Of course for individuals, the end can only be a day away.

[Jagella]

It is an attitude of course, not a timeline.  Maximal pessimism.  Of course for individuals, the end can only be a day away.

Many people don't seem to mind that the end, according to Christian beliefs, involves world-wide destruction and death. I must wonder if some people actually look forward to the apocalypse.

[Baruch]

Many people don't seem to mind that the end, according to Christian beliefs, involves world-wide destruction and death. I must wonder if some people actually look forward to the apocalypse.

Yes, mentally ill people look forward to a secular/religious apocalypse.  Just as some look forward to their own demise.  Murder is externalized suicide.  Wish for apocalypse is magnified self despair.

Some people die suddenly or quickly, and don't go thru the usual psychological phases ... denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.  It took a long while for my mother's health to fail, she went thru all of these.