Author Topic: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?  (Read 295 times)

How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« on: March 08, 2020, 04:56:52 AM »
No mass, ok.

But there must not be a volüme...

I gradually began to think that there must be some kind of power, say it a god or something, whatever.
But there must be some power, and it must be conscious, more intelligent than us, whom it has created...

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2020, 04:59:33 AM »
What?!

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2020, 05:03:47 AM »
What point you do not understand exactly?

The topic signifies a proposition if you can imagine the absolute nihil.

Nihil is a latin Word, which means nothingness?

can you imagine nothing neess?

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2020, 05:07:11 AM »
The End is the end.

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2020, 05:16:59 AM »
Can you further clarify?

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2020, 06:54:45 AM »
I can't imagine nothing but I can imagine the moment after.
“You are the sky. Everything else – it’s just the weather.”

― Pema Chödrön

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2020, 07:09:26 AM »
What we call ''time'' is the total number of ''moments'' that flow.

It is considered that time is the 4th dimension in the universe. Otherwise we cannot understand the science physics.

Maybe our brains was programmed to be able to understand the 4 dimension paradigm.

Lots of ways has to be taken to further understand what's going on in the universe.


Offline Baruch

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2020, 10:16:40 AM »
What we call ''time'' is the total number of ''moments'' that flow.

It is considered that time is the 4th dimension in the universe. Otherwise we cannot understand the science physics.

Maybe our brains was programmed to be able to understand the 4 dimension paradigm.

Lots of ways has to be taken to further understand what's going on in the universe.

No, I can't imagine it.  Nihilists think they can, but they are loony.

Time and space are human sensory fields, that have evolved for human survival.  The idea that they exist as such, independent of human beings, is Platonic error.  What may exist apart from human senses and human perception (neural processing) we don't know, aka called qualia in philosophy.  Of course philosophy itself has been a mad Greek thing from the beginning, first oversimplification (everything is water, is air etc) and subversive (see Socrates).  I am surprised a Turk would be taken in by the ouzo fueled BS ;-)

Einstein's version of Platonic reality is more refined than the Newtonian version, but it is still Platonic.  One is assuming that Plato is correct about "The Cave".  There is no good reason to believe that.  So just as physics majors avoid discussing what QM means, philosophy majors avoid discussing the vacuity of their epistemology.  In QM the answer is "shut up and calculate" ... for philosophy it is "shut up and cogitate" ... as with Thales, lets assume that no gods are involved (he also said all things are full of gods).  Philosophy of all kinds, Western, Indian etc are the largest straw-men arguments in existence.
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Are you taking any medications?
Don't to that.

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2020, 11:40:28 AM »
No mass, ok.

But there must not be a volüme...

I gradually began to think that there must be some kind of power, say it a god or something, whatever.
But there must be some power, and it must be conscious, more intelligent than us, whom it has created...
Classic.  Once again, a person who wants an 'answer' invents an 'intelligence (god), to help create an answer so his little mind can become still.  He seems to be saying--If I don't know the answer to my question, then God.  Wishful believing.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline aitm

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2020, 05:27:02 PM »
The  universe “looks”at us with complete indifference. It matters not a wit what we think or believe. It is. We are. Then we won’t be...but it will continue till the recycling. And maybe a few of your atoms will happen upon each other by mere chance. But they won’t recognize each other, nor care.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2020, 06:30:56 PM »
"Nothing" is what "I" was before "I" was conceived, and what "I" will again be after "I" fulfill my bucket list. The only thing on my bucket list is kicking the bucket.

But It seems that "nothing" is unstable, because there is only exactly one way for "nothing" to be the case, whereas there is an infinite number of ways for "something" to be the case. So "nothing" will immediately decay into "something" and continue from there.


https://skepticalinquirer.org/newsletter/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/?/sb/show/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/


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Then why is there something rather than nothing? Because something is the more natural state of affairs and is thus more likely than nothing-more than twice as likely according to one calculation. We can infer this from the processes of nature where simple systems tend to be unstable and often spontaneously transform into more complex ones. Theoretical models such as the inflationary model of the early universe bear this out.

God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2020, 06:50:49 PM »
The  universe “looks”at us with complete indifference. It matters not a wit what we think or believe. It is. We are. Then we won’t be...but it will continue till the recycling. And maybe a few of your atoms will happen upon each other by mere chance. But they won’t recognize each other, nor care.

The universe does not care, but we do... Are not we the by-products of the universe?

According to the fact as we observe that the universe somehow has created a thinking, conscious mind; so, from indifferent atoms can exist beings who/which can think, have minds, are consious; like humans.

Non-living atoms can make up living organisms, and living organisms can lead to a consicious minds…as we observe; i am not talking about non-human beings, which cannot be aware of their existence and the approaching reality that someday will come and we will die.

Once the evolution of the mind begin, especially the mind like the humans have that can invent tools and sci&tech. , and that can enhance its capacity and can make use of the full potetial of its capacity, there is NO limit to prevent it from improving…


Offline aitm

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2020, 07:12:23 PM »
Yes we are “by products”. But we think we are something grander. We are not. We are indeed a by product. To the universe we are useless. And as we have proven to ourselves time and again, completely indispensable to our own end. We kill without regard for what a particular brain may contain..only that it is a body in need of disposal.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2020, 09:20:08 PM »
Can you further clarify?

The End is the end of all knowledge.  Beyond it is the unknown.

Offline Baruch

Re: How do you imagine the ''absolute nihil''.?
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2020, 09:38:59 PM »
The End is the end of all knowledge.  Beyond it is the unknown.

Knowledge is over-rated.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't to that.