Author Topic: Rationalism and fascism  (Read 115 times)

Offline Gregory

Rationalism and fascism
« on: March 04, 2020, 08:51:12 PM »
It is very easy to mix up the two.

Offline Munch

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2020, 09:10:38 PM »
give us some examples where the line is.
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Offline Gregory

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2020, 09:13:33 PM »
The rationalist just simply is not violent.

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2020, 09:41:17 PM »
It is very easy to mix up the two.
I don't think so.  But then I'm not sure how you define either one.  Care to educate me??
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2020, 11:17:33 PM »
A rationalist isn't some Vulcan ethicist, Surak.  That was fiction, in an episode that also starred Capt Kirk and Abraham Lincoln ;-)



The Nazis and Stalinists were quite rational, they simply didn't choose to value human life.  Zyklon-B was industrial efficiency itself.

Facism is the joining of corporate hegemony with the State.  That is the US right now (per Mussolini's definition).  Even Churchill admired Mussolini.  Thought Hitler's main craziness was anti-Semitism ... and hoped that W Europe would be saved destruction by a war between the two socialist dictators.  It was, but the timing was 22 months off.  China is the inverse ... the joining of State hegemony with corporations.

Natural Law (Deist) was the vain hope that Europeans in powdered wigs could avoid savagery at least toward each other.  The most rational outcome was the French Revolution, that led to the Russian Revolution.  Lenin was rational to kill the anarchists first, then the aristocrats.  He was ill from a wound from an attempted assassination by a woman anarchist ... or he would have dealt with his greatest mistake, making Stalin #2 in the Party.  Trotsky was the more rational of the successors to Lenin, but was insufficiently barbaric.  Trotsky read Hitler's mind immediately.

Some people still think it is rational, to not allow something to people in general, that would be deleterious to the common good.  Bwahaha.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2020, 11:19:09 PM by Baruch »
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Offline Gregory

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2020, 01:17:15 AM »
A rationalist isn't some Vulcan ethicist, Surak.  That was fiction, in an episode that also starred Capt Kirk and Abraham Lincoln ;-)



The Nazis and Stalinists were quite rational, they simply didn't choose to value human life.  Zyklon-B was industrial efficiency itself.

Facism is the joining of corporate hegemony with the State.  That is the US right now (per Mussolini's definition).  Even Churchill admired Mussolini.  Thought Hitler's main craziness was anti-Semitism ... and hoped that W Europe would be saved destruction by a war between the two socialist dictators.  It was, but the timing was 22 months off.  China is the inverse ... the joining of State hegemony with corporations.

Natural Law (Deist) was the vain hope that Europeans in powdered wigs could avoid savagery at least toward each other.  The most rational outcome was the French Revolution, that led to the Russian Revolution.  Lenin was rational to kill the anarchists first, then the aristocrats.  He was ill from a wound from an attempted assassination by a woman anarchist ... or he would have dealt with his greatest mistake, making Stalin #2 in the Party.  Trotsky was the more rational of the successors to Lenin, but was insufficiently barbaric.  Trotsky read Hitler's mind immediately.

Some people still think it is rational, to not allow something to people in general, that would be deleterious to the common good.  Bwahaha.

It all sounds very rational to me, i.e., not.

Offline Baruch

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2020, 09:26:22 AM »
You have failed to provide your own definition, your own examples.  Probably some angelic utopia then?  The Bible is great religious literature, it isn't logical, in spite of Jewish and Christian theologians countless efforts.  All utopias founder on the fact of what the word means "no place".  They only work if you use an imaginary sentient species (ie: Vulcan) that isn't really human.  Spock as first seen in 1966 (I saw the first episode when first broadcast) was ironic, because he looks demonic, but in fact he is a kind of angel.  Being half human, a demigod.  This got brought out again in the episode of the Comms vs Yangs .... when Cloud William thought Spock had no heart.



Fan pandering ... what is the logic of that?  Purely emotional isn't it?  EQ not IQ.
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Offline Gregory

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2020, 08:37:59 PM »
The rationalist thinks in terms of blood, what does the blood tell us?  To me, absolutely nothing.

Offline Baruch

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2020, 08:47:40 PM »
The rationalist thinks in terms of blood, what does the blood tell us?  To me, absolutely nothing.

Rational racism?  More rationalization based on hormone levels.  Blood type and other blood science are real, but I don't think that is what you meant.  Are you a MENSA member?

Blood isn't the same as culture, except in tribal societies.  There is no White blood per se, because there are no Whites as a whole, just many tribes at each others throats.  This is what made them effective against more passive peoples.  Same with IQ ... nobody benefits from "average" anything.  The Bell Curve was a misuse of statistics.  Even if my IQ might be higher than a particular neighbor, that doesn't necessarily translate into well-being ... that outcome is ... complicated.
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Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't to that.

Offline Gregory

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2020, 09:17:05 PM »
Rational racism?  More rationalization based on hormone levels.  Blood type and other blood science are real, but I don't think that is what you meant.  Are you a MENSA member?

Blood isn't the same as culture, except in tribal societies.  There is no White blood per se, because there are no Whites as a whole, just many tribes at each others throats.  This is what made them effective against more passive peoples.  Same with IQ ... nobody benefits from "average" anything.  The Bell Curve was a misuse of statistics.  Even if my IQ might be higher than a particular neighbor, that doesn't necessarily translate into well-being ... that outcome is ... complicated.

I am not a member of Mensa.  Too many members trying to explain phenomenology to each other, I reckon.

Offline Baruch

Re: Rationalism and fascism
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2020, 09:25:07 PM »
I am not a member of Mensa.  Too many members trying to explain phenomenology to each other, I reckon.

You seem to be quite the phenomenon, yourself ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't to that.