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Is free will an illusion?

Started by Gregory, February 28, 2020, 01:14:54 AM

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Gregory

"Free will is limited."
- Erasmus

I have not heard it better described, how can the will be otherwise free?

aitm

 and......down the rabbit hole we go....
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

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Hydra009

#3
I've never met a man who didn't want to eat when very hungry.

Baruch

#4
Free will  = can create something from nothing based on whim?  No.

Human beings can only rearrange what already exists.  Yes.

That they can freely do, if their mother lets them out of the basement ;-)

People don't want to admit to free will, when standing before a judge, for the crimes they commit.

Erasmus was a liberal Catholic from 550 years ago.  Good at Greek NT though.

His quote on free will is based on Pauline theology.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

SGOS

Quote from: aitm on February 28, 2020, 07:46:34 AM
and......down the rabbit hole we go....
And to quote one of your other responses from years ago:  "Not this shit again."

SGOS

Next lets do "Is it nature or nurture?"

Baruch

Quote from: SGOS on February 29, 2020, 12:04:54 AM
Next lets do "Is it nature or nurture?"

Both.  Only Western people aka idiots, think it is either/or.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Unbeliever

God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Unbeliever

Is light a particle or a wave?



;-P
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Hijiri Byakuren

Could be.

The universe at the micro level is random. Like truly random. All predictions are probabilistic at the particle level. It becomes more deterministic as you go through the scale life exists at, and chaotic at the macro level.

So free will could be an illusion and our lives could be entirely chaotic or deterministic. Or it could truly exist, as random as the smallest particles. More research is needed. ;)
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Baruch

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 29, 2020, 01:59:58 PM
Is light a particle or a wave?



;-P

Which walnut shell is the dry pea under?  None, I ate the pea when you weren't looking!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on February 29, 2020, 06:07:48 PM
Could be.

The universe at the micro level is random. Like truly random. All predictions are probabilistic at the particle level. It becomes more deterministic as you go through the scale life exists at, and chaotic at the macro level.

So free will could be an illusion and our lives could be entirely chaotic or deterministic. Or it could truly exist, as random as the smallest particles. More research is needed. ;)

Reality already shows those aren't mutually exclusive.  It is the human brain that can't cope.  Designed to peal bananas.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Unbeliever

Quote from: Baruch on February 29, 2020, 08:06:51 PM
Reality already shows those aren't mutually exclusive.  It is the human brain that can't cope.  Designed to peal bananas.

You "peel" a banana, bells "peal."
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Jason Harvestdancer

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