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Offline Gregory

Is free will an illusion?
« on: February 28, 2020, 01:14:54 AM »
"Free will is limited."
- Erasmus

I have not heard it better described, how can the will be otherwise free?

Offline aitm

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2020, 07:46:34 AM »
 and......down the rabbit hole we go....
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Online Sal1981

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2020, 08:01:12 AM »
Yes.
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Offline Hydra009

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2020, 10:15:23 AM »
I've never met a man who didn't want to eat when very hungry.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2020, 10:33:14 AM by Hydra009 »

Offline Baruch

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2020, 11:10:02 AM »
Free will  = can create something from nothing based on whim?  No.

Human beings can only rearrange what already exists.  Yes.

That they can freely do, if their mother lets them out of the basement ;-)

People don't want to admit to free will, when standing before a judge, for the crimes they commit.

Erasmus was a liberal Catholic from 550 years ago.  Good at Greek NT though.

His quote on free will is based on Pauline theology.
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Offline SGOS

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2020, 12:04:06 AM »
and......down the rabbit hole we go....
And to quote one of your other responses from years ago:  "Not this shit again."

Offline SGOS

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2020, 12:04:54 AM »
Next lets do "Is it nature or nurture?"

Offline Baruch

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2020, 01:43:23 AM »
Next lets do "Is it nature or nurture?"

Both.  Only Western people aka idiots, think it is either/or.
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Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2020, 01:58:57 PM »
Next lets do "Is it nature or nurture?"

It's both.
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Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2020, 01:59:58 PM »
Is light a particle or a wave?



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Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2020, 06:07:48 PM »
Could be.

The universe at the micro level is random. Like truly random. All predictions are probabilistic at the particle level. It becomes more deterministic as you go through the scale life exists at, and chaotic at the macro level.

So free will could be an illusion and our lives could be entirely chaotic or deterministic. Or it could truly exist, as random as the smallest particles. More research is needed. ;)
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Offline Baruch

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2020, 08:05:40 PM »
Is light a particle or a wave?



;-P

Which walnut shell is the dry pea under?  None, I ate the pea when you weren't looking!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Offline Baruch

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2020, 08:06:51 PM »
Could be.

The universe at the micro level is random. Like truly random. All predictions are probabilistic at the particle level. It becomes more deterministic as you go through the scale life exists at, and chaotic at the macro level.

So free will could be an illusion and our lives could be entirely chaotic or deterministic. Or it could truly exist, as random as the smallest particles. More research is needed. ;)

Reality already shows those aren't mutually exclusive.  It is the human brain that can't cope.  Designed to peal bananas.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2020, 05:40:37 PM »
Reality already shows those aren't mutually exclusive.  It is the human brain that can't cope.  Designed to peal bananas.

You "peel" a banana, bells "peal."
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Re: Is free will an illusion?
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2020, 06:36:27 PM »
Define "free will".
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