Previously 'The big ol' 2020 debate', turned Baruch's personal waste bin.

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Not to speak for Jason, but I interpret it not that Biden isn't better than Trump... just that his policies won't really fix anything. You're still sitting in a pile of shit and you changed the wrong piece of clothing, but at least you aren't continuing to shit yourself.

If that's the case, I'm prone to agree.

At a minimum I expect there will be considerable repair to the damage that's been done to our international relations, to say nothing of reversing any number of the Oval Orifice's stupider/eviller executive orders.

In what way is that 'not fixing anything'?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

The "America First" slogan has origins from outside the KKK.  However, since they used it, it is irrevocably tainted by racism so nobody can use it.

Oh, and the KKK used oxygen.  It is irrevocably tainted by racism so you can't use it.

[Hydra009]

Tbf, that phrase was also used by US Presidents Wilson, Coolidge, Harding, and McKinley.  Still, it has a rather unsavory history and association with both racial injustice and antisemitism, and only a completely moron wouldn't notice that.

Trump also has an extensive record of racist dog-whistling, not-so-subtlety identifying himself as a whatever the fascist equivalent of "fellow traveler" is.

[Baruch]

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson kept slaves.  Don't use any words they ever used.  In particular don't use "e" as we used to joke in the 80s, Bill Gates has a copywrite on that letter ;-)

Internationalists ... Alexander the Great, Ashoka, Shi Huang Ti, Julius Caesar ... the whole world under one supreme leader (megalomaniac).  None of these guys thought that your tribe or kingdom or city state should be independent of their neo-liberalism (cultural superiority).

Collectivism is the general rule for human culture.  Individualism is the exception.  Eg: if one man beats one woman (wife) then all men are wife beaters.  That is the logic of collectivism.  But funny how if one man brings flowers to one woman (girl friend) then all men are good boyfriends?  Collectivism only works in the context of negativity?

One of my grandfathers and his father before him were KKK back in that era.  They did what they did in their time.  I have done what I have done in my time.  We are different men.  I don't feel responsible for any "reparations" for anything they did.  Because guilt isn't collective to collective, but individual to individual.

If guilt is collective, then any Jew can murder any German anytime.  Perpetual kosher reparations.

On symbols ... that upside down red triangle has multiple meanings.  It does not imply that Trump dresses as a Nazi at fancy parties.  Members of the British Royal Family do that ;-(  This would be different if it was a clear Nazi flag.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Trump's campaign wasn't responsible for the upside-down triangles.  It was a PAC that allegedly supports Trump, run by a Romney supporter.

[Baruch]

Trump's campaign wasn't responsible for the upside-down triangles.  It was a PAC that allegedly supports Trump, run by a Romney supporter.

But that is the whole vast conspiracy with time traveling reincarnating Nazis .. aiee!  Don't look on the backside of the Moon (cult movie), not only Nazis living there, but misogynists and homophobes too!  Deranged conspiracy theories are only done by Republicans.  Democrats are completely rational (Vulcans).

[Hydra009]

Trump's campaign wasn't responsible for the upside-down triangles.  It was a PAC that allegedly supports Trump, run by a Romney supporter.

Strange then, that the twitter page describes itself as "the official twitter for the Trump campaign".

When this story came out, Team Trump was identified as run by Trump's reelection campaign and the Trump campaign defended its tweet (why, if they didn't tweet that out?)

Who to believe...hmmmm....

I don't suppose you'd care to enlighten me with anything more than just your say-so?

As an aside, I've noticed a running theme of statements lacking any sort of support.  It's easy - too easy - to say that x is y when you don't have to show your work.

[Sal1981]

Guilt by Association has been co-opted by the fascists.

[Hydra009]

Guilt by Association has been co-opted by the fascists.

That was (and is) their platform, truth be told

[Baruch]

Guilt by association is tribal warfare and class warfare.  Enjoy your apocalypse, fools!

Twitter?  Don't even bother.  Snort gasoline while smoking a reefer.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Strange then, that the twitter page describes itself as "the official twitter for the Trump campaign".

When this story came out, Team Trump was identified as run by Trump's reelection campaign and the Trump campaign defended its tweet (why, if they didn't tweet that out?)

Who to believe...hmmmm....

I don't suppose you'd care to enlighten me with anything more than just your say-so?

As an aside, I've noticed a running theme of statements lacking any sort of support.  It's easy - too easy - to say that x is y when you don't have to show your work.

It is against federal law for there to be any direct communication between a PAC and a candidate.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Okay, here's the trail I followed.  I started by looking up the Team Trump Facebook page.

On the page I found "Confirmed Page Owner: DONALD J. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT, INC." and webpage www.donaldjtrump.com.

FEC data for "DONALD J. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT, INC." lists it as a PAC.  The only listed officer is TIMOTHY JOST, treasurer.  Former treasurer BRADLEY CRATE.

Looking up those individuals I find this.

Timothy Jost is a professor at Robert L. Willett Family Professor of Law, Washington and Lee University School of Law, and a member of the Federalist Society.  He was actually influential in arguing against the ACA (Obamacare).  He did work at a company called "Red Curve Solutions" founded by Bradley Crate.  He also worked directly for Romney.  Bradley Crate was a CFO for Romney.

This is in the public records.  It is also common knowledge that Romney is the leader of the last vestige of anti-Trump Republicans.

[Hydra009]

So...this guy doesn't work for Trump now because he used to work for Romney in the past?  And this guy is doing some sort of false flag op on Trump because Romney doesn't like Trump?  Just a tiny bit of a logical leap there.  And this supposedly anti-Trump guy is doing a hell of a job supporting Trump day in and day out.

Also, it makes the Trump campaign's (weak) defense of this sort of messaging all the more bizarre.  Is there any record whatsoever of anyone on the Trump campaign saying that Team Trump isn't with them?  Cause that seems like a really simple and easy way to get out of any wrongdoing.  "It wasn't us, it was some Romney guy."  You'd think that would be first thing they would say, if that were the case.  Very strange.

Thanks for trying to connect those dots, though.

[Hydra009]

Btw, isn't the webpage (donaldjtrump.com) the actual, official Trump re-election campaign webpage?