Previously 'The big ol' 2020 debate', turned Baruch's personal waste bin.

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Baruch

"'85,000 jobs have been lost in the US and millions of Americans have died' since pandemic began... apparently." ... Biden misspeaks again.  The lying dog faced pony soldier he is!

"Facebook Buys Giphy For $400 Million As Tech Giant Pledges To Banish All "Hateful Memes"" ... I "praise Kek" in your general direction

"US Industrial Production Plunges By Most In Over 100 Years" ... All Hail China, All Hail China!
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Baruch

"Global Cooling!! Low Solar Activity To Cause Temperatures To Plummet, Say Scientists" ... trust the science ... bwahaha.  Public policy based on Nazi scientists vs Stalin's scientists.

"No Proof That Russia Hacked DNC - Democrats Hid Sworn CrowdStrike Testimony For Over 2 Years" ... part of the current revelation from unsealed documents.  Hard to continue to lie via innuendo.  DNC didn't allow FBI to investigate, so they hired a Hillary-connected company, that found nothing (experts at the time said it was clearly accessed locally via a thumb drive (Seth Rich?) not via on-line from Russia.
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Shiranu

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Baruch

Angry Young Men - check
Real Woke - check

Don't roll over and play dead until you collect your social security!
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GSOgymrat

Quote from: Shiranu on May 16, 2020, 03:02:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3oE384ILy4

This guy thinks it would be better if Bernie had "fallen on his sword", not supported Biden, and called out corruption. Biden doesn't need Bernie's endorsement to win the Democratic nomination and Bernie claiming he was robbed will not change that result. Bernie expressly stated he was endorsing the presumptive Democratic nominee because Trump must be defeated, which I don't see as hypocritical. What would have been hypocritical would be to ask to lead the Democratic Party and then refuse to support the Democratic candidate. Bernie can't hand his supporter's votes to Biden "to be raped", Biden has to convince Bernie's former supporters to vote for him, which they may or may not do.

The primary clearly demonstrated that progressives currently don't have the votes to control the Democratic Party, however, progressives definitely have the power to prevent Biden from defeating Trump. Because Democrats, unfortunately, don't appear to be willing to prevent Biden from being the nominee, I recommend progressives use their political leverage to pressure Biden into making clear, specific, very public promises to support issues progressives care about.

Baruch

#590
That is the problem with politics.  No positive motivation, just negative motivation.  That in itself is weak.

Biden may not live long enough to get the nomination (he doesn't have the majority of votes yet), or the broken convention (thanks to Covid and possible un-seating of many state delegations) may delegitimize his nomination.  If he dropped out now due to ill health, then the convention should support Bernie as the runner up, not Hillary nor Cuomo nor Bloomberg.  So Bernie might yet run in the Fall, if a bit slowly given his age ;-)

Political talk is like morbidly fat fans arguing over a football game.  They can't even hike their own balls.

PS ...

“Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.”    ―  Thomas Sowell (a Black man).
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Cassia

Quote from: Mike Cl on January 28, 2020, 11:06:54 AM
I find this about me surprising.  As I age I am becoming more and more 'liberal' and less and less 'conservative'.  As a younger person I fully expected the process to be the opposite.  Anyway, I am like you in that I think this is too radical an idea for it to catch hold in this country.  Still, I find it an interesting concept.  I'll have to follow the experiments more closely and try to understand what the actual results are.  Right now the 1% have a strangle hold on this country and they are not about to let up any time soon.

I am socially liberal but when it comes to the economy and the global markets (especially China) I actually agree with S. Bannon. China will economically crush a wishy washy US soon enough. We should deal with the Chinese leaders/companies and make them play and pay fairly and hit them in the wallet at every turn. We can't even produce Q-tips without them and their slave labor, let alone so many commodity drugs such as antibiotics, etc. I can't stand tRump however my only worry about Biden is that he will continue to let Wall Street sell us out by using China to produce virtually everything while Americans work shit jobs and stare at the 'Real Housewives of New Jersey'. Yes we are even outsourcing our engineering as well.

Baruch

#592
Quote from: Cassia on May 16, 2020, 05:08:09 PM
I am socially liberal but when it comes to the economy and the global markets (especially China) I actually agree with S. Bannon. China will economically crush a wishy washy US soon enough. We should deal with the Chinese leaders/companies and make them play and pay fairly and hit them in the wallet at every turn. We can't even produce Q-tips without them and their slave labor, let alone so many commodity drugs such as antibiotics, etc. I can't stand tRump however my only worry about Biden is that he will continue to let Wall Street sell us out by using China to produce virtually everything while Americans work shit jobs and stare at the 'Real Housewives of New Jersey'. Yes we are even outsourcing our engineering as well.

We have worked for 20 years to make China the sole surviving superpower.  Not the US, not the EU, not Russia.  Russia is just a zit on China's butt, a resource colony like Saudi Arabia is for the US.  The EU is falling apart from its own unresolved contradictions and Chinese Fire Brigade approach to problem solving.  China has a mercantilist fascism (they are only half communist) that is well organized and militant under a single party state.  If China can avoid disintegration (as they always have failed in the past) then they have a great opportunity to take over the world right now.

China and Wall Street are both global fascist.  They were a marriage made in Hell.  That is why Bloomberg is a billionaire, as is Gates etc.  This is a product of the Trilateralist policy from the 70s.  Originally it was the US and the EU dividing up the word (Bilderbergers) during the Cold War.  But David Rockefeller sought to include Japan and the rest of the East in the oligarchy (Trilateralists).  Once China got going, like the Frankenstein Monster, it has a tendency to destroy anything within reach.

This isn't what David Rockefeller imagined.  Carter was our first Trilateralist President.  Trump is the current one.  He isn't fundamentally opposed to China, but the monster is destroying the village, and he doesn't know how to bring it back under control, or even the irate villagers with torches and pitchforks.  Attempts to destroy the Chinese monster, will naturally be met with violent resistance.  So don't bother trying.  BTW the Rothschild family has been running things for China in GB and the EU, via Hong Kong.

Destructive Crony Capitalism is killing us, and China is happy to assist.  Nobody, not even DoD, bothered to notice we can't fight our way out of a paper bag, because all paper bags are made in China ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvGnro4Cgw
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Hydra009

Quote from: GSOgymrat on May 16, 2020, 01:40:30 PMBecause Democrats, unfortunately, don't appear to be willing to prevent Biden from being the nominee, I recommend progressives use their political leverage to pressure Biden into making clear, specific, very public promises to support issues progressives care about.
That's Bernie's current strategy - to leverage his support into platform concessions from the DNC.  Just like he did in 2016.  We'll see if that's enough to right this ship.  Hopefully, it is.

Baruch

#594
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 16, 2020, 10:00:31 PM
That's Bernie's current strategy - to leverage his support into platform concessions from the DNC.  Just like he did in 2016.  We'll see if that's enough to right this ship.  Hopefully, it is.

Why do you expect anything more than lip service and virtue signaling from the Establishment.  Follow the money, not the activist crap.
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Shiranu

Quote from: Baruch on May 16, 2020, 10:05:58 PM
Why do you expect anything more than lib service and virtue signaling from the Establishment.  Follow the money, not the activist crap.

Yep. This is why I don't buy the "Oh, Progressives need to just shut up and support the Democrats, because they will magically start to listen to us!".

No, no they won't. They haven't listened for 40+ years... they aren't going to start now. They don't give a fuck about what the voters want, otherwise they wouldn't rig the primaries in favour of their selected candidate.

The only thing they ever listen to is $$$.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Baruch

Quote from: Shiranu on May 16, 2020, 10:19:45 PM
Yep. This is why I don't buy the "Oh, Progressives need to just shut up and support the Democrats, because they will magically start to listen to us!".

No, no they won't. They haven't listened for 40+ years... they aren't going to start now. They don't give a fuck about what the voters want, otherwise they wouldn't rig the primaries in favour of their selected candidate.

The only thing they ever listen to is $$$.

The US is a bi-political oligarchy.  The Dems run a variety of captive polities (plantations).  The Left and Blacks are plantations.  They give a little ear, and then fuck you the rest of the time.  Good massa that.  The Rethugs are medieval, with vast wealth protected by virtual castles and an MSM priesthood, that is only LARPing liberalism.  Not one of those Media people will give away their wealth, should they acquire it, to the poor!
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Hydra009

#597
Quote from: Shiranu on May 16, 2020, 10:19:45 PM
Yep. This is why I don't buy the "Oh, Progressives need to just shut up and support the Democrats, because they will magically start to listen to us!".

No, no they won't. They haven't listened for 40+ years... they aren't going to start now. They don't give a fuck about what the voters want, otherwise they wouldn't rig the primaries in favour of their selected candidate.

The only thing they ever listen to is $$$.
I forget, Clinton has a lot of sway in that department, correct?  And wasn't it Bloomberg (not doing too shabby in the money department, either) who said that the "moderates" should all drop out except for the DNC-annointed so that the outcome will be in the establishment's favor?  I wonder what sort of backroom deal Obama worked out with them to make that happen.  Looking back, the failure of liberals to really sway this in favor of a liberal candidate should be expected.  On a good day, they might have had the votes (or at least a plurality) but they didn't control the game.

Baruch

"US WAR GAMES PREDICT THE US WILL LOSE TO CHINA IN A PACIFIC WAR, COULD THIS BE WRONG??" ... what, with millions on the W Coast of the US, chanting Ho Ho Ho Chi Min?

"Turkey Demands New NATO Intervention In Libya: "Haftar Must Be Stopped"" ... funny how Haftar is supported by Russia, Israel, Egypt and the US.  Maybe there should be a NATO intervention in Turkey, like the prior one in Libya?

"How Huxley's X-Club Created Nature Magazine & Sabotaged Science For 150 Years" .. the Elite have always believed in Malthus


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Shiranu

Perhaps one positive coming out of this crisis is it looks like it's making the Democrats realise that drastic changes have to be made. I think they know if they win, and don't fulfill their promises, there might not be a Democrat (or Republican) party once it's all said and done.

My guess is once things stabilize a bit they will slip back into their old habits, but who knows. And who knows if their drastic changes will be drastic enough... I'm not going to hold my breath on it, but we will see.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/17/us/politics/joe-biden-economy-democrats.html?referringSource=articleShare
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