Previously 'The big ol' 2020 debate', turned Baruch's personal waste bin.

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Shiranu

Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 24, 2020, 11:54:20 PM
I think the Republicans are underestimating Sanders. It will be ironic if Sanders wins and these Southern conservatives inadvertently helped put a Yankee Jewish "socialist" into office.

'Operation Chaos': Republican voters aim to skew SC Democratic primary

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/operation-chaos-republican-voters-aim-to-skew-sc-democratic-primary/ar-BBZFIk7?ocid=spartanntp

At least two Republican groups in the Upstate are organizing efforts to skew South Carolina's Democratic presidential primary to make a point and help reelect President Donald Trump. They are urging loyal Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary on Feb. 29 for candidates perceived to be weak in opposition to Trump â€" for U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont in one case and for "the worst Democrat" in another, dubbed "Operation Chaos." Since South Carolina has open primaries where voters do not have to register by political party, voters can cast ballots in either primary. ...

A separate effort has been organized by Conservative Defense Fund, a political group out of Simpsonville run by former Republican state House candidate Christopher Sullivan. Sullivan's effort has not advocated for a specific spoiler candidate but has produced fliers titled "Operation Chaos" which were distributed at a party meeting Monday. The flier urged Republicans to "vote for the 'worst' Democrat." Sullivan said Wednesday he wants closed primaries, which he expects would lead to more solidly pro-life officials elected in the state. He said he has not organized with any party officials but had a positive reaction from party leaders at the Greenville County Republican Party executive committee meeting. ...




Don't even have to bother hiding the fact they are trying to cheat the election system anymore, because they know no one is going to stop them. It's such a broken, corrupt system and it's only going to get worse at this rate.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Baruch

Voting is cheating in an election ;-))
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Unbeliever

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Baruch

Guess her pantsuits don't impress you ;-)
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Baruch

South Carolina debate ... bwahaha.  Poor Biden, not even sure why he is standing there.  Bloomberg admitting that he spent $100 million buying votes in 2018 to get Dems control of the House.  Sanders admitting he never met a communist he didn't like.
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GSOgymrat

Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2020, 08:39:36 AM
South Carolina debate ... bwahaha.  Poor Biden, not even sure why he is standing there.  Bloomberg admitting that he spent $100 million buying votes in 2018 to get Dems control of the House.  Sanders admitting he never met a communist he didn't like.

At times it just turned into a free-for-all. For me, the debate was discouraging because it highlighted just how split the Democratic party is. I have no idea how this is going to turn out but I worry that progressive Democrats won't turn out for a non-progressive candidate and vice versa.

My number one issue is healthcare. In an ideal world, Sander's plan would be the best because by taking the profit out of healthcare, money is saved and healthcare outcomes become the metric for success. The problem is the Sanders' plan has almost no chance of being approved by non-progressive Democrats and Republicans in Congress. To go from a profit-driven healthcare system straight to a profitless healthcare system with our current government is completely unrealistic. That means if I really want universal coverage I should support one of the candidates who will be able to work with non-progressive Democrats and Republicans to pass something that would hopefully look like the Swiss healthcare system.

If Buttigieg wasn't gay he would be my choice but I think the bias against LGBTQ people is too prevalent for him to win a general election. I feel like Biden is a step backward. I won't vote for Bloomberg on principle. Klobuchar and Steyer have no chance at this point. I don't think Warren is as good a politician as Sanders (and her rhetorical devices annoy me). That leads me back to Sanders.

aitm

I'd rather have a socialist president butting heads with congress than a dictator being encouraged by them.
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Baruch

Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 26, 2020, 11:27:55 AM
At times it just turned into a free-for-all. For me, the debate was discouraging because it highlighted just how split the Democratic party is. I have no idea how this is going to turn out but I worry that progressive Democrats won't turn out for a non-progressive candidate and vice versa.

My number one issue is healthcare. In an ideal world, Sander's plan would be the best because by taking the profit out of healthcare, money is saved and healthcare outcomes become the metric for success. The problem is the Sanders' plan has almost no chance of being approved by non-progressive Democrats and Republicans in Congress. To go from a profit-driven healthcare system straight to a profitless healthcare system with our current government is completely unrealistic. That means if I really want universal coverage I should support one of the candidates who will be able to work with non-progressive Democrats and Republicans to pass something that would hopefully look like the Swiss healthcare system.

If Buttigieg wasn't gay he would be my choice but I think the bias against LGBTQ people is too prevalent for him to win a general election. I feel like Biden is a step backward. I won't vote for Bloomberg on principle. Klobuchar and Steyer have no chance at this point. I don't think Warren is as good a politician as Sanders (and her rhetorical devices annoy me). That leads me back to Sanders.

The Swiss system is both private and public.  Unlike the NHS in GB.
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Baruch

#188
Quote from: aitm on February 26, 2020, 12:10:40 PM
I'd rather have a socialist president butting heads with congress than a dictator being encouraged by them.

Caracas Now!  I love the smell of Venezuela burning in in the morning.  Got Hugo Chavez?

Remember the war on Black Men (and Yellow Men too) ... a real New Deal that was ...

You can have this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k26hmRbDQFw

Or this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KegsWP4Tvhg

Love those marching young women.  The American cowboy commander reminds me of Putin on horseback in Siberia!  President Putin 2020!
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GSOgymrat

Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2020, 12:33:21 PM
The Swiss system is both private and public.  Unlike the NHS in GB.

Yes and I think Republicans might pass legislation for a similar healthcare system. It would give everyone healthcare coverage, prevent people from falling into bankruptcy and be much less expensive for the federal government. If this was passed then progressives could push for expanded benefits in the future.

https://youtu.be/gniCVinKkSo

Unbeliever

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Hydra009

#191
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 26, 2020, 11:27:55 AM
At times it just turned into a free-for-all. For me, the debate was discouraging because it highlighted just how split the Democratic party is. I have no idea how this is going to turn out but I worry that progressive Democrats won't turn out for a non-progressive candidate and vice versa.

My number one issue is healthcare. In an ideal world, Sander's plan would be the best because by taking the profit out of healthcare, money is saved and healthcare outcomes become the metric for success. The problem is the Sanders' plan has almost no chance of being approved by non-progressive Democrats and Republicans in Congress. To go from a profit-driven healthcare system straight to a profitless healthcare system with our current government is completely unrealistic. That means if I really want universal coverage I should support one of the candidates who will be able to work with non-progressive Democrats and Republicans to pass something that would hopefully look like the Swiss healthcare system.

If Buttigieg wasn't gay he would be my choice but I think the bias against LGBTQ people is too prevalent for him to win a general election.
Too much metagaming and not enough gaming.

If you want universal healthcare, your candidate should reflect that.  Cause if you go with someone who won't fight for it, you're sure as hell never going to get it.

And Buttigieg being gay shouldn't even be a factor one way or the other.  Imagine if we were at the 1960 Democratic primary and we heard "I dunno if I can vote for JFK, other people might not go for a Catholic..."  Imagine how different things would be if his supporters were doing that sort of bigotry calculus.

Baruch

#192
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 26, 2020, 04:04:21 PM
Yes and I think Republicans might pass legislation for a similar healthcare system. It would give everyone healthcare coverage, prevent people from falling into bankruptcy and be much less expensive for the federal government. If this was passed then progressives could push for expanded benefits in the future.

https://youtu.be/gniCVinKkSo

Two bad 1/3 Americans are Elephants and 1/3 are Donkeys ;-)

There was a lot of anti-Catholic bigotry in 1960, but probably not among JFK supporters.  The Pope would have excommunicated them.
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Hydra009

Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 26, 2020, 11:27:55 AM
I have no idea how this is going to turn out but I worry that progressive Democrats won't turn out for a non-progressive candidate and vice versa.
One thing we know for a fact:  non-progressives can and have and will vote for a progressive.  If they didn't, there wouldn't be a progressive on the ballot or a progressive winning delegates.  QED.

Also:  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/regular-democrats-arent-least-bit-worried-about-bernie/606688/

GSOgymrat

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 26, 2020, 05:51:05 PM
Too much metagaming and not enough gaming.

If you want universal healthcare, your candidate should reflect that.  Cause if you go with someone who won't fight for it, you're sure as hell never going to get it.

And Buttigieg being gay shouldn't even be a factor one way or the other.  Imagine if we were at the 1960 Democratic primary and we heard "I dunno if I can vote for JFK, other people might not go for a Catholic..."  Imagine how different things would be if his supporters were doing that sort of bigotry calculus.

I think you are correct that I am overthinking it. I should just vote for the candidate who best represents my interests regardless of electability, which is Andrew Yang. I'm going to be voting for whomever the Democrats put forward.