Previously 'The big ol' 2020 debate', turned Baruch's personal waste bin.

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Shiranu

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 20, 2020, 09:20:19 PM
Wealth is not created out of thin air, but currency is in our current age.  The problem with magical money is that it devalues existing money.

True. I should have worded it as wealth rather than money, since I was talking about something tangible (an individual's power to buy things) rather than the currency itself.

Fiat money definitely has it's problems (as you said, it devalues "traditional" currencies), but at the same time it has a lot of practicalities that commodity-backed currency doesn't. I don't think modern society could run on a commodity economy.
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Baruch

Quote from: Shiranu on February 20, 2020, 09:45:22 PM
True. I should have worded it as wealth rather than money, since I was talking about something tangible (an individual's power to buy things) rather than the currency itself.

Fiat money definitely has it's problems (as you said, it devalues "traditional" currencies), but at the same time it has a lot of practicalities that commodity-backed currency doesn't. I don't think modern society could run on a commodity economy.

That is a first class question.  To the head of the class you go!
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Baruch

#152
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 20, 2020, 09:20:19 PM
Wealth is not created out of thin air, but currency is in our current age.  The problem with magical money is that it devalues existing money.

It is more complicated now than in the British Empire, and it was complicated then.  The Brits are resource poor, they had to create the Bank of England, sleep with the Rothschilds, defeat the kings of France and Napoleon ... to effectively go on a gold standard.  And that was the base on which a silver pound was built, but you still needed to get the silver..  To get enough silver for change (bills of exchange take care of large transfers, and still did in the mid 20th century) Britain had to develop tea in Sri Lanka, to avoid sending all their silver to China (to pay for all the tea they imported), and get the Chinese addicted to opium, and create Hong Kong to protect their drug pushing, and defeat the Chinese twice (Opium Wars) .... to suck all the silver out of China, that got a lot of it originally because of the Spanish/Portuguese earlier sending much of the silver of Mexico and Bolivia to Manila, for their earlier China trade, in silk and porcelain.

Money is magical, making war possible, but commodity money is self limiting in a way that paper currency, and now digital currency of many types (see CDS, Derivatives and bundled mortgages which are monetized commercial insurance policies) is not.  Nobody has been on a pure gold standard, but some have had enough gold to form a monetary base, on which silver and bronze can float.  Lydian Empire, Persian Empire, Macedonian Empire, Ptolomaic Kingdom, Roman Empire.  Athens was an example of a money that had silver as its base, not gold.  The net effect of too tight money supply, is deflation, which is worse for some parts of society than inflation.  The point of having a strong money, gold or silver, was not only to regulate prices indirectly, but to have an authority comparable to the present BIS (bank for international settlements).  WW I and WW II killed commodity money, the world was too big, the population too great, the daily money flow to quick and vast.  But if we had stuck to a pure gold-based standard, both the German Empire and the British Empire would have not been able to even start WW I.  The day war was declared in 1914, both the British and German empires dropped out of the gold standard.  Thucydides shows the financial basis of war, in Athens, in his history.  And Cicero says that war requires a literal ocean of money.  This is Sparta?  They had no money, just superb men, but there were never enough of them in the long term.

Over 14 trillion dollars was injected into the world economy, but the US, since 2008 ... but no inflation.  This is because it is just an accounting entry that can't be actually spent.  If it gets spent, we will have Weimar.  From 1971, the US and the world that depends in the US, uses the Petro-Dollar.  That is why the US has to kill every Arab and Persian, for their own good.  And there is still a gold basis at Ft Knox (but this is  pyramid that is upside down, very more unstable than in 1945).
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Baruch

#153
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 20, 2020, 08:25:31 PM
Are the Republicon and Democratic parties really the same?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcF5o-qkphg

The problem is they are both American.  Get rid of America, problem solved.  Of course that just creates new problems ;-)

We are still the same shit hole as 50 years ago, but we have rhetorically redefined and multiplied the definition of white-black ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STQNi7ArRl8
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Baruch

Bloomberg is letting the NDA ladies out of their agreements.  If there is just one sufficiently angry woman among them .. pow, right in Bloomberg's face!

"ICE ignores California law in courthouse arrests, prompting outcry from local officials" ... the Feds can't make the local law enforcement do the Feds job (Federal separation of powers), but it is legal if a person has been convicted of a misdemeanor or crime, who is not a legal citizen (most are overstayed visa holders in fact) then it is legit for the Feds to arrest the miscreants on the premises.

I hope some of the irate local officials try to use force to protect these Dem voters ;-) ... so local officials can be sent to Federal prison for ... violence.  As an example to the others.
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Unbeliever

#155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwUL2AN-zQs

Pigeons United To Interfere Now

What a concept!

Well, I guess flying rats are better than flying monkeys.
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Baruch

#156
So you are the Wicked Witch of the West?

Russian pigeons?  Can you see little Order of Lenin medals on their hats?

I expect Dems to realize that they share the same air with Russia ... and die from holding their breath!
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Hydra009

#157
Bloomberg fears that Sanders lead could become "insurmountable", suggests that some of his rivals drop out of the race

Unsurmountable, eh?  I remember that it wasn't long ago that the talking heads were saying that Sanders didn't have a chance, that he's stubborn and foolish and that an old person (how old is Trump?  how old is Bloomberg?) like him didn't have the vigor to campaign anymore.

QuoteBoth Buttigieg and Bloomberg are pressuring the other moderate candidates, including former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), to drop out so that the anti-Sanders crowd can coalesce around one alternative.

Bloomberg is doing worse in the polls than Biden at the moment, so the logic behind this seems questionable at best.  Definitely a lot of myside bias going on.

Regardless, I think this is going to play out a lot like the Republican primary where Trump was gaining steam and the "moderates" (or whatever passes for moderate among republicans) were too proud and too self-centered to give up their shot for the greater good.  As a result, they split the vote and Trump won.

Baruch

#158
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 22, 2020, 06:30:08 AM
Bloomberg fears that Sanders lead could become "insurmountable", suggests that some of his rivals drop out of the race

Unsurmountable, eh?  I remember that it wasn't long ago that the talking heads were saying that Sanders didn't have a chance, that he's stubborn and foolish and that an old person (how old is Trump?  how old is Bloomberg?) like him didn't have the vigor to campaign anymore.

Bloomberg is doing worse in the polls than Biden at the moment, so the logic behind this seems questionable at best.  Definitely a lot of myside bias going on.

Regardless, I think this is going to play out a lot like the Republican primary where Trump was gaining steam and the "moderates" (or whatever passes for moderate among republicans) were too proud and too self-centered to give up their shot for the greater good.  As a result, they split the vote and Trump won.

Sounds like a call for NYC to make offers that can't be refused, or maybe Hillary needs to unleash the Arkancide team?

Yes, in 2016, the Republican field was a septic tank of incompetence.  JEB seemed cut from the same dead tree as Shrub.  Hillary almost got around that ... with fake Bernie opposition, but no real opposition.  At the time, wasn't it called a coronation?  Black swan event .. there are no black swans, until you see one.  Trump is a random event.  Mike Pence is more typical Republican.

One conspiracy theory is Bloomberg spends a mint, doesn't get the nomination, but dries up the other candidates enough so that there is a hung convention, and the super-delegates can bring on Hillary again ;-(  Another theory has it, that Bloomberg is really targeted against Buttigieg, not Sanders.
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Baruch

"Are US Intel 'Officials' Meddling In US Election With "Report" Russia Is Aiding Sanders?" ... of course, just like when they claimed that candidate Trump was a Russia agent. 

These spooks have been interfering ever since the assassination of JFK ... and probably long before that.  Were the Pinkertons paid off by the Rothschilds to leave President Lincoln unprotected at Ford's Theater?  The Pinkertons, a private detective/security company, was the predecessor to both the Secret Service and the FBI.  There were as many Pinkertons in the 1890s as there are FBI staff today.
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Hydra009

#160
Sanders is the projected winner in Nevada and is predicted to have the popular vote in all three states so far (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada)

Baruch

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 22, 2020, 08:18:25 PM
Sanders is the projected winner in Nevada and is predicted to have the popular vote in all three states so far (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada)

Correct.  A little early to call Nevada.  They are a caucus state.  They had a Google app, instead of Shadow.  They have dropped that app just in case.  Google is run by the CIA, not Hillary, so it might be better, they just aren't sure.  They will hand count the balance ;-)
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Baruch

Nevada Caucus 23% reporting

Sanders - 47% - as expected
Biden - 23% - as expected
Buttigieg - 14% - as expected
Warren - 9% - disappointing
Steyer - 4% - withdrawn
Klobuchar - 3% -disappointing
Total - 99%

Currently Biden is leading in S Carolina.
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Hydra009

#163
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2020, 11:06:49 PMCurrently Biden is leading in S Carolina.
True, but it's a slim lead and dropping.

Nationally, Biden has dropped like a stone in the past month or so, from the high 20s to high 10s.  It's not impossible that he can make a comeback, but it's not particularly likely.

Hydra009

#164
Meanwhile, bots for Bloomberg

As inauthentic in delivery as in conception.