Previously 'The big ol' 2020 debate', turned Baruch's personal waste bin.

[Munch]

I think we should just blow the world up and get it over with. Why go out with a whimper when there's a great bang available?

It'll happen, we just won't be around to see it.

[Unbeliever]

Yeah, once I'm out of here the world can go to hell. Let the plutocrats have it.

[Unbeliever]

This whole charade will blow over soon, with no resignation by Barr, and no impeachment of Barr. The crooks have gotten hold of America's government, and they're not about to relinquish it.

[Baruch]

This whole charade will blow over soon, with no resignation by Barr, and no impeachment of Barr. The crooks have gotten hold of America's government, and they're not about to relinquish it.

Power is too important to be put into the hands of ordinary people ... they are Deplorables after all ;-)

[Baruch]

I think we should just blow the world up and get it over with. Why go out with a whimper when there's a great bang available?

Sorry you are so down.  See a doctor or have a drink.

[Hydra009]

I'm just gonna leave this here:

[trdsf]

The caucuses reward organizational ability, really -- if you can whip up your followers to actually show up at their local caucus, you get the rewards.  In a primary, all you need to do is convince your supporters to show up at their local polling station for a few minutes and tick a box.  A caucus requires a much stronger commitment.

Things are really a crapshoot right now.  If it weren't for the fact that the fate of the nation is at stake, it would be fun to watch.

Meanwhile on the Republican side, even though there are challengers to Lord Dampnut, many states are trying to cancel their Republican primaries and caucuses because how dare anyone oppose the Anointed One, and just because a candidate meets the requirements to get on a ballot doesn't mean they even print a ballot in the first place.

There's democracy in action -- or should that be inaction?

[Baruch]

Regarding Dems .. they still have their anti-democratic super-delegates.  So do caucus or primary matter at all?  If people will vote for a billionaire (no, I didn't vote for Trump) then should people be allowed to vote at all?

[SGOS]

It'll happen, we just won't be around to see it.

How do you know that?  These sorts of things are always surprises.

[SGOS]

It seems Sanders has become the progressive leader and Bloomberg is trying to be the centrist leader.

I think he was probably the most progressive, which would possibly say something about the voters.  Although his lead is hardly a landslide, so it may not say too much.

I think centrists Democrats are more likely to vote for Sanders just to defeat Trump where progressives and younger voters are less likely to turn out for Biden or Bloomberg.

Damn kids!  First we teach them to shut up while the adults are talking, and then we can't figure out when they don't speak up when they should.

I don't think Sanders is the best person to be president, mainly because, while he is good at consolidating progressives, I don't think he can convince centrist Democrats and Republicans in Congress to pass his legislation. I don't agree with all of Sanders' policies but that's the way it goes.

I think you are right.  Our leaders are beholding to the wealth of the country, centrist or not.  It's about money.  That said, I'm not sure what "centrist" means.  OK, it's the center, but it doesn't seem like it's the center for most people, for the leadership yes, for the people I'm in doubt.  If it does in fact reflect the actual center, It's easy to understand why Trump is president.

[Baruch]

"George Soros: "Remove Zuckerberg From Facebook Now... He'll Get Trump Re-elected"" ... teenage war criminal from Budapest runs everything and everyone?

[GSOgymrat]

Damn kids!  First we teach them to shut up while the adults are talking, and then we can't figure out when they don't speak up when they should.

Just to be clear, I'm not talking about Millennials or Gen Z in particular. Young voters historically turn out in lower numbers. I do believe that whether Democrats win or lose hinges on the number of younger voters and polls clearly show younger voters favor Sanders. Sanders does have polarizing policies so it might be possible that more conservatives and older voters will be motivated to turn out to oppose him (Defend America From SOCIALISM!!!). It's going to be interesting.

[Baruch]

I tell my daughter ... 173 million Americans between 20 and 60.  It is up to you working age adults to run things now!

[Unbeliever]

Sorry you are so down.  See a doctor or have a drink.

I don't do either of those any more. I'm just disgusted with politics. Maybe I should take a break from it for a while, but it's just too damned fascinating.

[Shiranu]

If it does in fact reflect the actual center, It's easy to understand why Trump is president.

I've pretty consistently said the "American left" is at best central, and the "American right" is pretty far right, and I still hold to that... and I do think that applies to the voters just as much as the politicians, at least on what is considered "left".

We are an incredibly conservative country, particularly once you get away from the coasts.