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Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« on: December 15, 2019, 10:28:59 PM »
Maybe this belongs more in another box but since she's best known as a religious figure I figured i would start here.

Joan of Arc story is highly  mythologized but going over her court transcripts is fascinating. She claimed she could know Charles VII immediately despite never seeing him, and according to some of the court documents she did. Some witnesses just say she presented herself to the king but others say the king hid himself incognito in the crowd of his court and yet she went right to him. Considering it was the 1420s I find it doubtful she had ever seen a portrait of him. I'm not a theist at and her supposed predictions are all vague or cold reading  (like no shit you predict you'll be hurt in a battle) but how could she have known a man shed never seen?

Offline Baruch

Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2019, 11:00:27 PM »
I like Joan of Arc.  But there is an analysis that says she wasn't innocent.  What is commonly presented, including in The Messenger, is a hagiography.

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Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2019, 12:35:03 AM »
She claimed she could know Charles VII immediately despite never seeing him
Whoa!  That's weird!  I'm racking my brain trying to figure out a way someone could possibly know what their ruler looks like without personally meeting them.

So, did Kings around that time not appear on coins?  Or have portraits made?  Or statues?  Jeez, this is a tough one!

Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2019, 01:22:30 AM »
Tbh I figured there wouldn't be a lot of pictures of the dethroned prince(she called him her king but he wasn't quite)  kicking around poor villages in 1420

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2019, 07:29:40 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2019, 09:16:49 AM »
Official documents are never retrofitted. Right?
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Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2019, 06:47:06 PM »
Tbh I figured there wouldn't be a lot of pictures of the dethroned prince(she called him her king but he wasn't quite)  kicking around poor villages in 1420
Clearly, there's not a mundane explaination and magic is the safe bet.

There are many ways a sword can be found in a field, you know.  (or maybe you dont)

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Offline Baruch

Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2019, 09:16:20 AM »
In America, I know a guy who would use a "Water witch" to find water, probably even easier to find a sword.
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Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2019, 11:01:30 AM »
There's no real reason to believe this actually happened.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2019, 12:41:40 PM »
There's no real reason to believe this actually happened.

"History is bunk!" - Henry Ford

And not just the fantastic bits.  History is old accepted propaganda.  Until new politics ideologically revises it.  Was George Washington right or wrong?  For that matter, was Hitler right or wrong (given Stalin).
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Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2019, 02:57:56 PM »
Ford never studied history, he just dabbled at best.
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Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2019, 08:19:52 PM »
Ford never studied history, he just dabbled at best.

Henry Ford made history, he wasn't a %&$^$ historian.  And he was Hitler's favorite American.
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Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2019, 07:14:59 AM »
You've never heard of Lindbergh. Non-historians like you and Ford often fuck history up.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2019, 07:19:59 AM »
You've never heard of Lindbergh. Non-historians like you and Ford often fuck history up.

Charles Lindberg Sr?  Yes, he knew that President Wilson was a traitor.  And per President Wilson, enforcing segregation in DC, President Wilson was a racist.

Charles Lindberg Jr?  The Nazi cock sucker?  Yeah, I appreciate Jimmy Stewart playing the part, but the man himself was a psychopath.
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Offline PopeyesPappy

Re: Joan of Arc recognizing charles/ESP
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2019, 07:46:12 AM »
If we are arguing about who Hitler's favorite American was, I'm going to land on the Ford side of the debate. Hitler was a big fan of Ford's publication The International Jew, and it was Ford's portrait hanging above Hitler's desk in 1931 when he told an American journalist that Ford was his inspiration. Ford also received his Grand Cross of the Supreme Order of the German Eagle at the direction of Hitler a couple of months before Goring presented Lindbergh with his.
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