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Re: Civil War????
« Reply #90 on: October 09, 2019, 06:29:08 PM »
The one good thing about there being lots of guns in the US is that the lunatic fringe is actually outgunned by a wild margin.
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Re: Civil War????
« Reply #91 on: October 10, 2019, 10:23:18 AM »
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Treason is defined in the Constitution; those who vote for the Orange Disaster Area are not by that definition traitors.

They are,  however, at least one of the following: bigots, racists, right-wing nut jobs, arch-plutocrat economic libertarians, thundering idiots, and/or easily duped.

Where is Communism authorized in the Constitution?  And nobody, not even Jefferson Davis, was ever convicted of treason.  Sorry, if you are unhappy in country X, please go to country Y, don't try some futile revolution.  My ancestors left shitty Europe behind, they didn't stay to become Nazis or Commies.
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Re: Civil War????
« Reply #92 on: October 10, 2019, 10:24:26 AM »
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He has certainly called for things that would violate the Constitution. Time to get Ma Deuce out again.

How many hippies did you hunt down?
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« Reply #93 on: October 10, 2019, 10:58:34 AM »
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Trump is a domestic enemy of the USA, as far as I can tell. So "adhering" to Trump, or giving him "aid and comfort" by voting for him is, as far as I can tell, treason.
I can almost go that far, but I tend to tread delicately with regard to the Constitution.  And my fellow citizens, unfortunately, have a perfectly legitimate right to vote against their own best interests.

There's a much stronger case for violation of the Emoluments Clause, and in any case, the only legal remedy while he's still infesting the White House is impeachment, followed by conviction in the Senate -- to say nothing of the public declaration of obstruction of justice by his refusal to coΓΆperate with House subpoenas.

Once out of office, then he's subject to the regular course of federal, state and local law.
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Re: Civil War????
« Reply #94 on: October 10, 2019, 01:14:00 PM »
He's subject to the regular laws now, but the executive branch controls all the law enforcement this country has, and the DOJ is in his pocket, so he gets away with crimes for which the rest of us would spend life in prison.
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« Reply #95 on: October 10, 2019, 01:55:01 PM »
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He's subject to the regular laws now, but the executive branch controls all the law enforcement this country has, and the DOJ is in his pocket, so he gets away with crimes for which the rest of us would spend life in prison.
Didn't Barr say that a sitting president can't be tried for the breaking of any law?
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Re: Civil War????
« Reply #96 on: October 10, 2019, 01:56:30 PM »
That's not a law, though, only a DOJ memo. That position is not anywhere in the Constitution.
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« Reply #97 on: October 10, 2019, 02:00:25 PM »
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He's subject to the regular laws now, but the executive branch controls all the law enforcement this country has, and the DOJ is in his pocket, so he gets away with crimes for which the rest of us would spend life in prison.
I didn't say he wasn't subject to the law.  I said until out of office he wasn't subject to the ordinary course of civil and criminal law.  While in office, the House is the only grand jury that can indict him (via impeachment).  Remember that Leon Jaworsky had to talk his grand jury out of issuing an indictment against Richard Nixon, not on the grounds that Nixon wasn't subject to the law, but that the House was the Constitutionally mandated body to issue that, and the Senate the Constitutionally mandated jury.

The point is not that a sitting president is above the law, but that there is a specific process laid out for dealing with a lawbreaking president.
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« Reply #98 on: October 10, 2019, 02:08:54 PM »
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« Reply #99 on: October 10, 2019, 03:39:30 PM »
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Oh, now this will be interesting to follow -- thanks for the link!  I'll have to see if there's any analysis on SCotUS Watch, because whoever loses the Appeals Court ruling will definitely appeal the ruling if it's not otherwise mooted by then.
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« Reply #100 on: October 10, 2019, 06:28:08 PM »
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He's subject to the regular laws now, but the executive branch controls all the law enforcement this country has, and the DOJ is in his pocket, so he gets away with crimes for which the rest of us would spend life in prison.

What was ex-President Clinton doing on the tarmac with Atty Gen in July 2016?  Yes, justice is very unequal.  Get used to it.
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« Reply #101 on: October 10, 2019, 06:29:06 PM »
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I didn't say he wasn't subject to the law.  I said until out of office he wasn't subject to the ordinary course of civil and criminal law.  While in office, the House is the only grand jury that can indict him (via impeachment).  Remember that Leon Jaworsky had to talk his grand jury out of issuing an indictment against Richard Nixon, not on the grounds that Nixon wasn't subject to the law, but that the House was the Constitutionally mandated body to issue that, and the Senate the Constitutionally mandated jury.

The point is not that a sitting president is above the law, but that there is a specific process laid out for dealing with a lawbreaking president.

Then how come Bill and Hillary aren't in jail?  They aren't in office.

Bill Clinton - genocide against Iraqi children

George W Bush - genocide against Iraqi adults

Barak Obama - genocide against Libya, Syria, Ukraine … with able assistance by Hillary Clinton
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Re: Civil War????
« Reply #102 on: October 10, 2019, 06:29:40 PM »
WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT CLINTON DID THEN? THIS IS NOW!
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« Reply #103 on: October 10, 2019, 06:32:10 PM »
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WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT CLINTON DID THEN? THIS IS NOW!

And $&%^#$%& you to.  TDS is strong in this one.  Carefully protect the young Jedi from him!  Never trust anyone named Anakin.
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Re: Civil War????
« Reply #104 on: October 11, 2019, 02:39:15 AM »
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WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT CLINTON DID THEN? THIS IS NOW!

"What about Clinton" and "what about Obama" are all he has to offer. I just skip over his posts when politics are involved.
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