Civil War????

[Mike Cl]

It's not just about militias, people would go out, attack and kill around unarmed people. attack certain instutions, organisations...they see as 'the enemy'. There would be riots and every kind of atrocities everywhere out of the heat zones. That's why armed forces would be so harsh in the first place. It's civilians targeting civilians, there is no other way for a civil war to happen.

People seem to think it will be like two 'armies' meeting in a spot and having some 'fight' with some rules, you know different unforms and all, starting with a whistle?

Shoe, I know it is not 'just' about militias.  And I understand that the militias are civilians dressing up in military gear and weapons.  They will kill all who do not agree--it is nothing like two armies facing off against each other.  A civil war is called that because civilians are involved.  It would be very messy and difficult to keep track of.  Wanton destruction.

[drunkenshoe]

Shoe, I know it is not 'just' about militias.  And I understand that the militias are civilians dressing up in military gear and weapons.  They will kill all who do not agree--it is nothing like two armies facing off against each other.  A civil war is called that because civilians are involved.  It would be very messy and difficult to keep track of.  Wanton destruction.

Oh, I didn't mean that way. I mean people who are armed, but not a part of the militias or even the 'war' would go and commit crimes and atrocities.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

A civil war is called that because civilians are involved. 

No.

"A civil war, also known as an intrastate war in polemology,[1] is a war between organized groups within the same state or country. The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region or to change government policies.[2] The term is a calque of the Latin bellum civile which was used to refer to the various civil wars of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC.

A civil war is a high-intensity conflict, often involving regular armed forces, that is sustained, organized and large-scale. Civil wars may result in large numbers of casualties and the consumption of significant resources.[3] Most modern civil wars involve intervention by outside powers. "

[drunkenshoe]

No.

"A civil war, also known as an intrastate war in polemology,[1] is a war between organized groups within the same state or country. The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region or to change government policies.[2] The term is a calque of the Latin bellum civile which was used to refer to the various civil wars of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC.

A civil war is a high-intensity conflict, often involving regular armed forces, that is sustained, organized and large-scale. Civil wars may result in large numbers of casualties and the consumption of significant resources.[3] Most modern civil wars involve intervention by outside powers. "

LOL, this is exactly what I meant up there by some people seem to think that civil war is some defined battle between some sides with defined circumstances. Like some football league, right?

It's defined like that in sources? Ah, it is OK. We were worrying for nothing then. Just let the boys get it out from their systems, eh. You American idiot.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I've been studying military history since 1966. Amateurs have their own definitions, don't they.

[drunkenshoe]

I've been studying military history since 1966. Amateurs have their own definitions, don't they.

Ah, that explains it then. Because wars -of any kind- don't happen in reality as they are 'studied' or 'defined' in some written source. And nobody needs to study military history to comprehend that.   

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ah, that explains it then. Because wars -of any kind- don't happen in reality as they are 'studied' or 'defined' in some written source. And nobody needs to study military history to comprehend that.   

You are living up to your nick.

[Baruch]

Oh, I didn't mean that way. I mean people who are armed, but not a part of the militias or even the 'war' would go and commit crimes and atrocities.

Terrorists aren't a Civil War.  That started before the Civil War, in Bloody Kansas.

[drunkenshoe]

You are living up to your nick.

Yeah, I think you are full of shit, so I must be drunk.

[Mike Cl]

No.

"A civil war, also known as an intrastate war in polemology,[1] is a war between organized groups within the same state or country. The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region or to change government policies.[2] The term is a calque of the Latin bellum civile which was used to refer to the various civil wars of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC.

A civil war is a high-intensity conflict, often involving regular armed forces, that is sustained, organized and large-scale. Civil wars may result in large numbers of casualties and the consumption of significant resources.[3] Most modern civil wars involve intervention by outside powers. "

Yes, I agree with your definition.  What I was trying to impart is that in this case--right here and right now--what trump and his followers call a civil war would be more like country wide guerilla warfare than our last Civil War.  Anyway--do you think I am like Chicken Little--running around yelling about the sky falling??

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Yes, I agree with your definition.  What I was trying to impart is that in this case--right here and right now--what trump and his followers call a civil war would be more like country wide guerilla warfare than our last Civil War.  Anyway--do you think I am like Chicken Little--running around yelling about the sky falling??

In 1970 I was running up and down a river in South East Asia with four or five other sailors. We had a variety of small arms, and an 81 mm mortar and 105mm recoiless rifle. But even better, I had a radio. And sixteen B-52s so far above me I could barely see them. When I used the right code they would dropped their shit where I told them to drop it.

A bunch of drunks with guns wouldn't stand any more chance than a bunch of my fraternal socialist brothers in black pajamas.

[Unbeliever]

If the right-wing militias could properly organize, with social media, they might try blockading the left-wing cities so they can't get food or other supplies. They could damage the airports enough that cities can't get supplies in by air, either. I don't know what might happen if they tried that. But all the left-wing cities are surrounded by right-wing rural populations, which are primarily Trump fans. So we could be looking at a war of siege mentality.


I find it interesting that the first civil war is called "the war of Northern aggression" when it was the Confederates who fired the first shot, at Ft. Sumpter.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If the right-wing militias could properly organize, with social media, they might try blockading the left-wing cities so they can't get food or other supplies. They could damage the airports enough that cities can't get supplies in by air, either. I don't know what might happen if they tried that. But all the left-wing cities are surrounded by right-wing rural populations, which are primarily Trump fans. So we could be looking at a war of siege mentality.

A blockade requires resources, organization, and discipline. See "The Anaconda Plan".

I find it interesting that the first civil war is called "the war of Northern aggression" when it was the Confederates who fired the first shot, at Ft. Sumpter.

Sumpter was a "Yankee" or "Federal" fort in South Carolina. They had been told they weren't wanted there.

[drunkenshoe]

You live in a country, where people, under ordinary circumstances prepare to 'attack' and trumple each other to death, starting to wait from 5 am in the morning in groups of hundreds  to buy a big high tech TV or the latest play station on a day called the Black Friday (same everywhere, just taking yours as the original source of the tradition), a place where riots and lootings of supermarkets break out just because of a black out less than 12 hours, where people declare themselves messiahs, illegally getting armed big enough to support a major taliban troop, get into open combat with federal forces, just a dispute between motorbike gangs can generate hundreds in death polls, drug/gang wars produced how many thousands of deaths again? You have urban zones collapsed under crime and mafia, most importantly you have poverty; you have poor masses watching the filthy rich in the most competitive culture humans produced, an isolated culture of masses at the bottom of the country dreaming themselves at the top of the world, a few as stupid as soup generations believing they are entitled to have everything with a free ride and they are armed. That's just the fraction of it.

All these years, nearly a decade, you have kept telling me 'there are more weapons in this country than people'. Official US population is 327 millions. That is guns more than three hundred and twenty seven millions. Where are they? How many unregistered people are armed? A civil war is the most fundamental, collective fear of your culture which makes everything more trigger happy, fucked up even more.

What definiton of civil war are you talking about?

Hopefully, the idiot is right and it is just a fear propaganda, because otherwise the best thing you have is the millions of kms of open space and six and a half millions of kms of roads.

[trdsf]

If the right-wing militias could properly organize, with social media, they might try blockading the left-wing cities so they can't get food or other supplies. They could damage the airports enough that cities can't get supplies in by air, either. I don't know what might happen if they tried that. But all the left-wing cities are surrounded by right-wing rural populations, which are primarily Trump fans. So we could be looking at a war of siege mentality.

Those rural areas aren't as lock-step as you might think.  Friends of mine live out in the middle of nowhere, a good twenty miles out of the city, and around here cities don't tail off slowly, they just stop and all of a sudden you're in rural America.

In 2015-6 there were nothing but Trump signs out that way, even during the primaries, and voted for Lord Dampnut by nearly 30 percentage points over Hillary in the election.

Last time I was out there, about a month ago, there were no Trump signs yet... but one house had two cars in the drive with bumperstickers for Democrat Tim Ryan.  Putting a D behind your name in that county is traditionally political suicide; you might as well run an ad saying "Hi, I'm running for Congress so I can force you to gay-marry a vegan illegal immigrant Islamic terrorist.  Actually, I don't even want the office, I just wanted to waste money putting myself on TV.  I'm so and so, and I endorse this message."

Even granting that Ryan is probably the most moderate candidate in the race, that someone in this area is willing to look at any Democrat at all is telling.