Author Topic: Reform about involuntary commitment and the like  (Read 994 times)

Re: Reform about involuntary commitment and the like
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2019, 07:31:47 PM »
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This was tried in Philadelphia 200 years ago, the original Penitentiary.  It was a Quaker hell hole, that abused the prisoners with mental games.  Is that what you are hoping for as an atheist?  Quaker tyranny?

Though the Quakers introduced them to the Americas, as with so many other cruel gifts to the world we have the Roman Catholic Church to thank for penitentiaries. The whole idea of penitence is a Catholic one... Go reflect on your sins, ask for forgiveness from God, and when God says he forgives you, you're free to go. Though God rarely scrawled his John Hancock or YHWH on parole writs, fortunately we had wealthy and powerful clerics who signed on his behalf when they thought a penitent was ready for release - or not. The cells in a penitentiary are named, as are biological cells, after the cells in monasteries.

Thinking that enforced monastery life will make people less likely to commit crimes is, along with so many other things religious, a failed hypothesis. The whole system needs to be demolished and rebuilt on a system of empirical metrics and clearly-stated goals.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! -- President Merkin Muffley

My mom was a religious fundamentalist. Plus, she didn't have a mouth. It's an unusual combination. -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

Offline Baruch

Re: Reform about involuntary commitment and the like
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2019, 08:13:05 PM »
Sorry, the humanitarian response is to legalize everything.  Saves taxes too ;-)  That matches my notion that there is no such thing as morality.  And therefore the only reason for laws is prejudice, which is ignoble.
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
Say it again.  I don't understand you.

Re: Reform about involuntary commitment and the like
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2019, 05:52:55 AM »
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Best lawyers are in Israel.

Why do you say best lawyers are in Israel ?
The Israeli judicial system and American judicial system aren't the same because each countries have its laws.
As each countries have its own laws I consider we can't compare lawyers in USA and those in the State of Israel.

Offline Baruch

Re: Reform about involuntary commitment and the like
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2019, 05:57:17 AM »
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Why do you say best lawyers are in Israel ?
The Israeli judicial system and American judicial system aren't the same because each countries have its laws.
As each countries have its own laws I consider we can't compare lawyers in USA and those in the State of Israel.

Best diamond dealers too (with outlying offices in Amsterdam and NYC).
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
Say it again.  I don't understand you.

Re: Reform about involuntary commitment and the like
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2019, 08:50:47 AM »
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Best diamond dealers too (with outlying offices in Amsterdam and NYC).

Best entertainers...

Offline Baruch

Re: Reform about involuntary commitment and the like
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2019, 10:31:02 AM »
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Best entertainers...

Yes, best lovers?  But not right to brag ;-)
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
Say it again.  I don't understand you.

Re: Reform about involuntary commitment and the like
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2019, 12:45:18 PM »
IIo

Offline Cavebear

Re: Reform about involuntary commitment and the like
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2019, 05:20:55 AM »
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Best lawyers are in Israel.

Sounds vaguely like a stereotypical  "Jews are good lawyers" thing.  Just curious about why you said that.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

 

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