Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

Started by Greatest I am, July 25, 2019, 03:49:55 PM

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Greatest I am

Quote from: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 03:37:34 AM
China will lead it. 

This is likely true.

You do not seem to be the same guy I met back when buddy.

Your motivation for dialog may have changed.

That or perhaps just my perceptions.

Regards
DL


Mike Cl

Quote from: Greatest I am on August 17, 2019, 04:33:46 PM
I see us as having better morals and ethics than in those years, except for the right wingers, who are now the minority and not the majority.

I will give you that anything could happen, but I do not see your military as that stupid.

Regards
DL
I really do hope you are correct.  But I don't see our military as any beacon of hope.  After all, they have been fighting an Afgan war that has been dragging on for over 10 years and have made no effort to stop it--and anyone who insists it is to protect this country and it's citizens is just plain stupid.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Munch

Quote from: Greatest I am on August 17, 2019, 04:33:46 PM
I see us as having better morals and ethics than in those years, except for the right wingers, who are now the minority and not the majority.

I will give you that anything could happen, but I do not see your military as that stupid.

Regards
DL

didn't your right wingers win the last presidential election?

Also thats a very black and white statement that all those on one political side is immoral and only the left are moral. what a crock of shit.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Baruch

Quote from: Greatest I am on August 17, 2019, 04:33:46 PM
I see us as having better morals and ethics than in those years, except for the right wingers, who are now the minority and not the majority.

I will give you that anything could happen, but I do not see your military as that stupid.

Regards
DL

German Christians were torn as to how to respond to the rise of Hitler.  Some were enthusiastic supporters, some were bound by duty to obey, others fled or resisted.  Everyone gets a crisis test in life.  How will you respond?  Doesn't measure your morality as much as your personality.

Needless to say, had I been a German Jew at that time, I would have fled early while there was still time.
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Baruch

Quote from: Greatest I am on August 17, 2019, 04:42:53 PM
This is likely true.

You do not seem to be the same guy I met back when buddy.

Your motivation for dialog may have changed.

That or perhaps just my perceptions.

Regards
DL

I have matured.  Or spoiled.  You decide ;-)  Is blue cheese good for anything?
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Mike Cl on August 17, 2019, 05:14:24 PM
I really do hope you are correct.  But I don't see our military as any beacon of hope.  After all, they have been fighting an Afgan war that has been dragging on for over 10 years and have made no effort to stop it--and anyone who insists it is to protect this country and it's citizens is just plain stupid.

Resistance is mutiny.  To oppose Dems for being Dems or Repub for Repub .. would destroy the military.  Like I said, the young people make up the military, and the officers are still a distinct middle class.  Enlisted are lower class.  When you have the enlisted become politically active, then it is like the Russian Army in 1917.  BTW - the French Army also collapsed that year and never recovered.  The German Army lasted one more year, thanks to the collapse of Russia, and the intervention of the US, and the long term blockade by GB.  Army veterans in Germany were the backbone of the Nazi party, not the Socialists.  It is hard to imagine similar things in the US, causing the politicizing of the military.  Had the Civil War gone worse than it did, I could see Grant becoming military dictator.  The Vietnam War was opposed by college students who had draft deferments.  Not exactly the most dangerous group.  We are generating a lot of veterans now, thanks to our permanent war since 9/11.  This is not a good thing.  If veterans go against college students, you already know how that will turn out.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Greatest I am

Quote from: Mike Cl on August 17, 2019, 05:14:24 PM
I really do hope you are correct.  But I don't see our military as any beacon of hope.  After all, they have been fighting an Afgan war that has been dragging on for over 10 years and have made no effort to stop it--and anyone who insists it is to protect this country and it's citizens is just plain stupid.

The U.S and it's government want to be seen as the hero of the world and the killer of terrorism.

They think the head of that is in Afghanistan.

My personal feeling is that we should all get out of the M E and let the Muslims war as much as their vile hearts desire. We can live without their oil and illicit drugs, which is about all that Afghanistan produces for the West.

Regards
DL


Greatest I am

Quote from: Munch on August 17, 2019, 08:17:25 PM
didn't your right wingers win the last presidential election?

Also thats a very black and white statement that all those on one political side is immoral and only the left are moral. what a crock of shit.

I am Canadian and have no horse in your race, but yes, most, not all, your Republicans are immoral in that they even publically held their noses and voted for Trump.
That is them putting their tribal affiliations ahead of their moral sense.

Regards
DL 

Mike Cl

Quote from: Greatest I am on August 19, 2019, 03:37:53 PM
The U.S and it's government want to be seen as the hero of the world and the killer of terrorism.

They think the head of that is in Afghanistan.

My personal feeling is that we should all get out of the M E and let the Muslims war as much as their vile hearts desire. We can live without their oil and illicit drugs, which is about all that Afghanistan produces for the West.

Regards
DL
I don't think trump or his minions (the rest of his appointees) give a rats ass about being the hero of the world.  He wants to become the dictator of the US so he can spread fear and chaos around the world.  Why?  Because that is how he does business.  He has made and will make gazillions as long as he is president.  He also does not give a rip about international nor internal terrorism.  Plus, war and uncertainty adds dollars to a huge number of US corporations.  His main goal (besides making money for himself) is to keep the corporations happy.  He cares nothing about anything else. 

As for your personal feelings, I agree. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Greatest I am

Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 11:10:07 PM
German Christians were torn as to how to respond to the rise of Hitler.  Some were enthusiastic supporters, some were bound by duty to obey, others fled or resisted.  Everyone gets a crisis test in life.  How will you respond?  Doesn't measure your morality as much as your personality.

Needless to say, had I been a German Jew at that time, I would have fled early while there was still time.

I do not think I am using the wrong term when I say that religions like Christianity are fascist.

It is not surprising then to see Hitler's fascist country use the Vatican for it's bank nor that priests helped the Eastern block kill off it's Jews. I am sure you know more about this than I do good buddy. I think it was the Jesuit branch but there is another branch that is worse but I have forgotten it's name. It is the modern inquisition, just less deadly.

Regards
DL



Greatest I am

Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 11:11:01 PM
I have matured.  Or spoiled.  You decide ;-)  Is blue cheese good for anything?

Not to me. I hate the taste. I do not hate you buddy.

I do not think you were immature back then.

You taught me some good things and confirmed much of what I thought.

You do not seem as focused on teaching here but you have been here a while and likely know the posters and what you have told them already. I just pop in and out and do not have the memory to get acquainted that deeply with posters.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am

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Quote from: Mike Cl on August 19, 2019, 03:45:57 PM
I don't think trump or his minions (the rest of his appointees) give a rats ass about being the hero of the world.  He wants to become the dictator of the US so he can spread fear and chaos around the world.  Why?  Because that is how he does business.  He has made and will make gazillions as long as he is president.  He also does not give a rip about international nor internal terrorism.  Plus, war and uncertainty adds dollars to a huge number of US corporations.  His main goal (besides making money for himself) is to keep the corporations happy.  He cares nothing about anything else. 

As for your personal feelings, I agree. 

I was not so much thinking Trump and see him as a pimple on the U.S. ass that will soon be squeezed out.

I was thinking more of the people and your Congress and Senate.

From the end of WWII, American have warred almost continually to push democracy, which is nice, but they included their toxic form of capitalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RozOiZAK9lQ

Regards
DL

Mike Cl

Quote from: Greatest I am on August 19, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
I was not so much thinking Trump and see him as a pimple on the U.S. ass that will soon be squeezed out.

I was thinking more of the people and your Congress and Senate.

From the end of WWII, American have warred almost continually to push democracy, which is nice, but they included their toxic form of capitalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RozOiZAK9lQ

Regards
DL
It seems to me that since 9-11, the US has become a country that loves being the victim and has become more cowardly.  That attack could have been used for good in that something like people from 80 countries were killed--not just Americans.  We could have reached out and formed an effective coalition to combat and contain those countries that were engaging in terrorism.  Instead, Bush turned it into making Cheney (and himself) rich and served the needs of the corporations of the US, not the people of the US nor of the world.  For about 10 yrs after the attack I became so very tired of hearing 'Aren't you afraid?!'  No, I was not ever 'afraid'.  But I was pissed.  When Bush told us he was going after the perpetrator of  the attack, I was 100% behind that action.  Then he let him go and attacked Iraq, who had nothing to do with that attack--but they had oil.  The corporations were happy.  Then the repubs used fear and lies to lead us around by the nose. 
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Baruch

Quote from: Greatest I am on August 19, 2019, 03:40:51 PM
I am Canadian and have no horse in your race, but yes, most, not all, your Republicans are immoral in that they even publically held their noses and voted for Trump.
That is them putting their tribal affiliations ahead of their moral sense.

Regards
DL

French-Canadian, right?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.