Author Topic: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?  (Read 5328 times)

Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2019, 03:25:26 PM »
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 Suppose you are the owner of a business with a staff of 15 people earning $10/hr. You are now forced to a minimum wage of $15/hr. What do you do?

Compete as usual, as everyone of your competitors is in the same boat.

You are correct that there are things about the economy I do not know.

You are showing that you have less of a clue than I have.

Go ahead and come up with all the thousands of minute and irrelevant details you want, while I just have to think demographically and see how little change to that graph is necessary to end the immoral practice of our governments imposing poverty on us. Loose change to the rich side.

Regards
DL


Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2019, 03:30:18 PM »
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It's hard to convince people that Gaia even exists, that the planet's biosphere is a single living organism. It seems to be more a matter of philosophy than science for most people, because they haven't read Lovelock. So I doubt you've had many converts on those forums!

But if I were going to worship anything, and work towards converting others, it would be some sort of Gaia theology. But Gaia isn't a [G]od, just an isolated photo-chemical process that's occurring on a ball of rock flying through the void, trying to continue its existence as long as possible.

I hear you. If it was easy, someone would have already done it.

"It's hard to convince people that Gaia even exists,"

It should not be any harder than the religious lies that have people thinking that a genocidal son murdering prick of a god is somehow good.

There is more evidence, so to speak, that Gaia exists, while the supernatural pricks the religious presently idol worship based on nothing at all.

Regards
DL
 


Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2019, 03:35:29 PM »
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I think most of us on this thread should consider ourselves fortunate we live in countries that at least even being run by a corrupt government, that there is still opportunity, support and a system in place to at least be comfortable, as opposed to countries with corrupt governments that don't have these things in place.

Your government is more corrupt than most as they are knowingly dropping the age of life stats and intentionally killing off your people.

Watch the documentary What the Health to see how.

You seeing your government as less corrupt is one thing. Delusional at this point in time.

You ignoring the facts is quite another of how much better many governments are is another.

Watch Sicko and rethink.

Regards
DL

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Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2019, 04:23:48 PM »
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Your government is more corrupt than most as they are knowingly dropping the age of life stats and intentionally killing off your people.

Watch the documentary What the Health to see how.

You seeing your government as less corrupt is one thing. Delusional at this point in time.

You ignoring the facts is quite another of how much better many governments are is another.

Watch Sicko and rethink.

Regards
DL

Urm, I didn't say mine or any other western government wasn't corrupt, I'm saying despite it we still have a better system in place in these areas of the world then other regions with their own corrupt government.
Let's not pretend a slower train service or slight tax increase is the equivalent of fearing your be mugged or your house broken into every day, like Somalia or South Sudan  (if you can even afford a house in those areas of the world)
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Offline Baruch

Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2019, 04:50:07 PM »
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I don't envy or feel jealousy of the ultra-rich, I pity and despise them.

And that is the path the path to the Gulag.  Except in Trudeau Canada.
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
Say it again.  I don't understand you.

Offline Baruch

Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2019, 04:52:22 PM »
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It's hard to convince people that Gaia even exists, that the planet's biosphere is a single living organism. It seems to be more a matter of philosophy than science for most people, because they haven't read Lovelock. So I doubt you've had many converts on those forums!

But if I were going to worship anything, and work towards converting others, it would be some sort of Gaia theology. But Gaia isn't a [G]od, just an isolated photo-chemical process that's occurring on a ball of rock flying through the void, trying to continue its existence as long as possible.

Gaia = Green Party theology
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
Say it again.  I don't understand you.

Offline Baruch

Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2019, 04:54:55 PM »
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Your government is more corrupt than most as they are knowingly dropping the age of life stats and intentionally killing off your people.

Watch the documentary What the Health to see how.

You seeing your government as less corrupt is one thing. Delusional at this point in time.

You ignoring the facts is quite another of how much better many governments are is another.

Watch Sicko and rethink.

Regards
DL

Agenda 21 and Club of Rome are true European socialist scripture!
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Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2019, 11:42:17 PM »
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I hear you. If it was easy, someone would have already done it.

"It's hard to convince people that Gaia even exists,"

It should not be any harder than the religious lies that have people thinking that a genocidal son murdering prick of a god is somehow good.

There is more evidence, so to speak, that Gaia exists, while the supernatural pricks the religious presently idol worship based on nothing at all.

Regards
DL
I don't know what you mean by Gaia.  This is what I mean.  Gaia is a word I use to indicate that all life on this planet is connected.  I would call that a scientific fact.  What happens to one part of Gaia impacts all other parts.  The average person on the street would probably think I'm a religious nut of some sort.  But how any educated, thinking person cannot see this simple fact is beyond me. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2019, 11:51:01 PM »
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Urm, I didn't say mine or any other western government wasn't corrupt, I'm saying despite it we still have a better system in place in these areas of the world then other regions with their own corrupt government.
Let's not pretend a slower train service or slight tax increase is the equivalent of fearing your be mugged or your house broken into every day, like Somalia or South Sudan  (if you can even afford a house in those areas of the world)
I find the excuse that parts of the world are like Somalia or South Sudan a sorry one to excuse the corruptions of whatever Western govt. you live under.  I beat my dog; my neighbor beats his dog and his wife.  So, my wife should be grateful to be with me instead of my neighbor.  In a just world, both me and my neighbor should be arrested and all others who beat dogs, children and wives.  I grew up being taught that the USA was the moral leader of the world.  We did not tolerate violence either internally or externally.  That is not what my country stands for now--quite the opposite.  So, I should simply shut the fuck up and be grateful that the USA isn't like Somalia?  I'd rather support efforts to fix the wrongs my country is doing and hold ourselves to the highest of standards no matter what the rest of the world is doing. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Online Shiranu

Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2019, 03:46:05 AM »
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Let's not pretend a slower train service or slight tax increase...

Let's not pretend that's remotely what anyone is arguing about as well.


Wealth inequality is reaching it's worst levels since the Great Depression. Taxes paid, proportionately, by the wealthy and corporations are reaching record lows. We have citizens who "don't know what to do with their money" who could literally end all hunger in this country single-handedly that instead pay less proportionate taxes than people who have to decide if they are going to put food on their table or get medical treatment they need. We have massive infrastructure repairs and renovations required and unfunded while the government spends hundreds of billions of dollars on military spending with very limited oversight. Our student debt is current in the 1.4 trillion dollar range and skyrocketing. Record number of young people are unable to afford to leave their family homes, start businesses, get married, have children, own a car, whatever because the economy hordes the wealth at the top.

That is a little bit different than complaining about slow trains.

And perhaps Scotland is some absolute utopia where literally the worst people do have to complain about is slow trains and slight tax increases, but that is not remotely the norm... not even by Western standards. And there are millions of Americans who do have to worry about being mugged or have their house broken into every day... who do have to worry about even being able to afford a house in those areas.


Someone else having it worse is not an excuse to not make things better, particularly when making it better for you also makes it better for those very same people.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2019, 07:54:58 AM »
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I find the excuse that parts of the world are like Somalia or South Sudan a sorry one to excuse the corruptions of whatever Western govt. you live under.  I beat my dog; my neighbor beats his dog and his wife.  So, my wife should be grateful to be with me instead of my neighbor.  In a just world, both me and my neighbor should be arrested and all others who beat dogs, children and wives.  I grew up being taught that the USA was the moral leader of the world.  We did not tolerate violence either internally or externally.  That is not what my country stands for now--quite the opposite.  So, I should simply shut the fuck up and be grateful that the USA isn't like Somalia?  I'd rather support efforts to fix the wrongs my country is doing and hold ourselves to the highest of standards no matter what the rest of the world is doing.

Idealists say, we must all be Japanese Indians ... either we are all Gandhi, or we have to commit seppuku ;-(

Ah, global wealth inequality?  Lets ship all the Chinese jobs to Zimbabwe, and see how they like it!
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Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #56 on: July 28, 2019, 09:30:47 AM »
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Idealists say, we must all be Japanese Indians ... either we are all Gandhi, or we have to commit seppuku ;-(

Ah, global wealth inequality?  Lets ship all the Chinese jobs to Zimbabwe, and see how they like it!
So many days you are like Airk, full of shit and nothing of substance.  Rattle on......................
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2019, 10:23:56 AM »
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Urm, I didn't say mine or any other western government wasn't corrupt, I'm saying despite it we still have a better system in place in these areas of the world then other regions with their own corrupt government.
Let's not pretend a slower train service or slight tax increase is the equivalent of fearing your be mugged or your house broken into every day, like Somalia or South Sudan  (if you can even afford a house in those areas of the world)

Comparing the third world to the first world is a false equivalency.

Regards
DL
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Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2019, 10:30:12 AM »
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Agenda 21 and Club of Rome are true European socialist scripture!

Do you really believe that they are purposely creating crises?

Regards
DL

Re: Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2019, 10:35:27 AM »
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I don't know what you mean by Gaia.  This is what I mean.  Gaia is a word I use to indicate that all life on this planet is connected.  I would call that a scientific fact.  What happens to one part of Gaia impacts all other parts.  The average person on the street would probably think I'm a religious nut of some sort.  But how any educated, thinking person cannot see this simple fact is beyond me. 

I hear you again but educated does not mean a person will become a thinking person.
Especially when systems are in place to dumb down the population.

Chompskey calls the U.S. education system and indoctrination system that does not want to produce critical thinkers.
Governments are mimicking religious indoctrination methods.
Sheeple are so much easier to control than thinkers.

Regards
DL

 

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