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Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us

Started by Mr.Obvious, July 23, 2019, 06:39:31 AM

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Baruch

Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 01, 2019, 04:19:08 PM
Also, our cells co-operate and compete among themselves. As a single body (of trillions of cells) we both compete at the individual level and at a social level (groups versus groups).

Once you get beyond a single body, to different species members or different species, it is less socialist.  Part of my view of socialism is based on not wanting to be a social insect (the extension of somaticism beyond the individual).
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Quite right.  As I understood the article, our beneficial bacteria are pretty much isolated from the outside world (unless they were spread by battle wounds or accidents) but the non-beneficial ones are rather novel to our immune systems and need special attention.  As I recall, it baffled early researchers why out immune system attacked some bacteria and not others.  The novel ones were the threat.

Bacteria that write poetry are best.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
As I recall, it baffled early researchers why out immune system attacked some bacteria and not others.  The novel ones were the threat.

That must explain why after 47 years of marriage, kissing my wife is no longer a threat - by now her bacteria and mine have merged perfectly in harmony...:-)

Cavebear

Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 04, 2019, 07:28:27 PM
That must explain why after 47 years of marriage, kissing my wife is no longer a threat - by now her bacteria and mine have merged perfectly in harmony...:-)

Actually, you both may be intertwined biologically more than you realize.  You may well be nearly a single biotosphere by now.
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josephpalazzo

I google "biotosphere" and I got some Russian websites?!!?

Baruch

Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 08, 2019, 06:22:12 PM
I google "biotosphere" and I got some Russian websites?!!?

Proof that Cavebear is the Trump representative in Moscow.
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Don't do that.

Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 09:30:37 PM
Proof that Cavebear is the Trump representative in Moscow.

Would explain the bear as his avatar.
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Cavebear

Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 08, 2019, 06:22:12 PM
I google "biotosphere" and I got some Russian websites?!!?

Apologies.  The term is logically legit, but biosphere would have been better.
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Cavebear

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on August 09, 2019, 11:57:02 AM
Would explain the bear as his avatar.

Yeah right, I'm a secret agent, using an obvious handle.  LOL!
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 06:21:41 AM
Yeah right, I'm a secret agent, using an obvious handle.  LOL!

Like the burglar who left his wallet at the scene of the crime?
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:52:56 AM
Like the burglar who left his wallet at the scene of the crime?

That reminds me of the bank robber who handed the teller a note written on the back of his own deposit slip.  And the one who walked back to his apartment IN THE SNOW.  Criminals are really dumb.  Ive mentioned this before, but a detective once said that any criminal who thinks of 8 of 20 things that can go wrong is a criminal mastermind.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 10:56:15 PM
That reminds me of the bank robber who handed the teller a note written on the back of his own deposit slip.  And the one who walked back to his apartment IN THE SNOW.  Criminals are really dumb.  Ive mentioned this before, but a detective once said that any criminal who thinks of 8 of 20 things that can go wrong is a criminal mastermind.

The really dumbest one run for office.
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 11:36:16 PM
The really dumbest one run for office.

No the ones who don't get caught run for office, as they are skilled at crimes.  Not that all are criminals, but some criminals are skilled at politics.  For some of them, it is all a Ponzi scheme; for others, influence peddling is the game.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 13, 2019, 01:17:40 AM
No the ones who don't get caught run for office, as they are skilled at crimes.  Not that all are criminals, but some criminals are skilled at politics.  For some of them, it is all a Ponzi scheme; for others, influence peddling is the game.

Correct, there is no all in all ... but still no reason to not despair.
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Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 02:09:45 AM
Correct, there is no all in all ... but still no reason to not despair.

Actually, there IS "all" in "all".  There IS however no "I" in "team"...
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