Author Topic: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us  (Read 2172 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2019, 03:29:05 AM »
Also, our cells co-operate and compete among themselves. As a single body (of trillions of cells) we both compete at the individual level and at a social level (groups versus groups).

Once you get beyond a single body, to different species members or different species, it is less socialist.  Part of my view of socialism is based on not wanting to be a social insect (the extension of somaticism beyond the individual).
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Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2019, 03:29:46 AM »
Quite right.  As I understood the article, our beneficial bacteria are pretty much isolated from the outside world (unless they were spread by battle wounds or accidents) but the non-beneficial ones are rather novel to our immune systems and need special attention.  As I recall, it baffled early researchers why out immune system attacked some bacteria and not others.  The novel ones were the threat.

Bacteria that write poetry are best.
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Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2019, 07:28:27 PM »
As I recall, it baffled early researchers why out immune system attacked some bacteria and not others.  The novel ones were the threat.

That must explain why after 47 years of marriage, kissing my wife is no longer a threat - by now her bacteria and mine have merged perfectly in harmony...:-)

Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2019, 05:59:59 PM »
That must explain why after 47 years of marriage, kissing my wife is no longer a threat - by now her bacteria and mine have merged perfectly in harmony...:-)

Actually, you both may be intertwined biologically more than you realize.  You may well be nearly a single biotosphere by now.
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Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2019, 06:22:12 PM »
I google "biotosphere" and I got some Russian websites?!!?

Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2019, 09:30:37 PM »
I google "biotosphere" and I got some Russian websites?!!?

Proof that Cavebear is the Trump representative in Moscow.
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Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2019, 11:57:02 AM »
Proof that Cavebear is the Trump representative in Moscow.

Would explain the bear as his avatar.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2019, 06:19:19 AM »
I google "biotosphere" and I got some Russian websites?!!?

Apologies.  The term is logically legit, but biosphere would have been better.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2019, 06:21:41 AM »
Would explain the bear as his avatar.

Yeah right, I'm a secret agent, using an obvious handle.  LOL!
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Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2019, 06:52:56 AM »
Yeah right, I'm a secret agent, using an obvious handle.  LOL!

Like the burglar who left his wallet at the scene of the crime?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2019, 10:56:15 PM »
Like the burglar who left his wallet at the scene of the crime?

That reminds me of the bank robber who handed the teller a note written on the back of his own deposit slip.  And the one who walked back to his apartment IN THE SNOW.  Criminals are really dumb.  Ive mentioned this before, but a detective once said that any criminal who thinks of 8 of 20 things that can go wrong is a criminal mastermind.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2019, 11:36:16 PM »
That reminds me of the bank robber who handed the teller a note written on the back of his own deposit slip.  And the one who walked back to his apartment IN THE SNOW.  Criminals are really dumb.  Ive mentioned this before, but a detective once said that any criminal who thinks of 8 of 20 things that can go wrong is a criminal mastermind.

The really dumbest one run for office.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2019, 01:17:40 AM »
The really dumbest one run for office.

No the ones who don't get caught run for office, as they are skilled at crimes.  Not that all are criminals, but some criminals are skilled at politics.  For some of them, it is all a Ponzi scheme; for others, influence peddling is the game.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2019, 02:09:45 AM »
No the ones who don't get caught run for office, as they are skilled at crimes.  Not that all are criminals, but some criminals are skilled at politics.  For some of them, it is all a Ponzi scheme; for others, influence peddling is the game.

Correct, there is no all in all ... but still no reason to not despair.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2019, 02:18:24 AM »
Correct, there is no all in all ... but still no reason to not despair.

Actually, there IS "all" in "all".  There IS however no "I" in "team"...
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