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Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« on: July 23, 2019, 06:39:31 AM »
Just listened to this on my lunchbreak.
Thought I'd share.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2019, 07:30:28 AM »
Correct, the universe was made for the Sith.
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Offline Munch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2019, 07:39:53 AM »
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Correct, the universe was made for the Sith.

I like to think it was made by a lovecraftian horror by dreaming and once that horror wakes up we all just poof out of existence.

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Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2019, 03:39:24 PM »
Beautiful.

Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2019, 07:12:10 PM »
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Beautiful.

The bigger the beast the better?  They have been tagging the "six gilled shark" ... a large shark, not often seen, whose body type is from the Dinosaur period (newer sharks have fewer gills, the most ancient had more ... six and seven gills.  Seven gill shark fossils are from the Jurassic).  Recent photo of one shows big green eyes.

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Offline Munch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2019, 08:27:05 PM »
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The bigger the beast the better?  They have been tagging the "six gilled shark" ... a large shark, not often seen, whose body type is from the Dinosaur period (newer sharks have fewer gills, the most ancient had more ... six and seven gills.  Seven gill shark fossils are from the Jurassic).  Recent photo of one shows big green eyes.

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lovecraft was using the matrix concept well before any of us were alive.

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something about a cosmic entity that has no bound shape, only just whatever indescribable thing we can imagine, and where everything we know exists because it remains asleep dreaming our existence just makes the concept of everything we know into meaningless chemical electrodes in the brain.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2019, 11:00:40 AM »
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lovecraft was using the matrix concept well before any of us were alive.

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something about a cosmic entity that has no bound shape, only just whatever indescribable thing we can imagine, and where everything we know exists because it remains asleep dreaming our existence just makes the concept of everything we know into meaningless chemical electrodes in the brain.

Per materialism, that is all you are ... minus the alien god.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 09:18:05 AM »
Idiots Guide To Evolution...  The universe is not made for us.  We are made for the universe.  Well, at least the planet.  We exist because some extremely simple constructs you could barely call "life" came into a collective of cells and duplicated themselves.  And then competition happened and we are here.  YAY!
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Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2019, 12:20:42 PM »
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Idiots Guide To Evolution...  The universe is not made for us.  We are made for the universe.  Well, at least the planet.  We exist because some extremely simple constructs you could barely call "life" came into a collective of cells and duplicated themselves.  And then competition happened and we are here.  YAY!

Capitalism (competition) is very productive.  The socialist bacteria all died out, obviously.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2019, 12:27:48 PM »
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Capitalism (competition) is very productive.  The socialist bacteria all died out, obviously.

They are both present and thriving.  Your body is 10-1 bacteria cells to human cells (human ones are bigger) though only about 2% your mass.  And most of those bacteria are utterly socialist.  You would curl up and die painfully without them).  The capitalistic ones can kill you.  Those are called "diseases".
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Offline Baruch

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2019, 03:17:57 PM »
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They are both present and thriving.  Your body is 10-1 bacteria cells to human cells (human ones are bigger) though only about 2% your mass.  And most of those bacteria are utterly socialist.  You would curl up and die painfully without them).  The capitalistic ones can kill you.  Those are called "diseases".

Totally wrong ... Leninus bacillus.
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Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2019, 04:10:32 PM »
I wonder if the only reason no one's ever written a book called "Religion For Dummies" is because it would just be too much irony?
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2019, 04:14:23 PM »
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Totally wrong ... Leninus bacillus.

Nice try.  I didn't even go look it up.  I can just see you; ONO he didn't...
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Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2019, 04:19:08 PM »
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They are both present and thriving.  Your body is 10-1 bacteria cells to human cells (human ones are bigger) though only about 2% your mass.  And most of those bacteria are utterly socialist.  You would curl up and die painfully without them).  The capitalistic ones can kill you.  Those are called "diseases".

Also, our cells co-operate and compete among themselves. As a single body (of trillions of cells) we both compete at the individual level and at a social level (groups versus groups).

Offline Cavebear

Re: Carl Sagan - A universe not made for us
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2019, 04:29:07 PM »
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Also, our cells co-operate and compete among themselves. As a single body (of trillions of cells) we both compete at the individual level and at a social level (groups versus groups).

Quite right.  As I understood the article, our beneficial bacteria are pretty much isolated from the outside world (unless they were spread by battle wounds or accidents) but the non-beneficial ones are rather novel to our immune systems and need special attention.  As I recall, it baffled early researchers why out immune system attacked some bacteria and not others.  The novel ones were the threat.
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