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Started by Baruch, July 08, 2019, 03:04:39 AM

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Baruch

Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 11:25:05 AM
Perhaps a little history: self-hating Jews was used on Jews who disagree with Israel's Zionist policies back in the 1960's or so. But later on, it was used so often, for multiple reasons to the point that it became sort like a joke.

Joe projects things that are true, for other people, onto me, because that is all the game he has.
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Quote from: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 01:14:36 PM
Yeah, like the soldiers guarding the tomb of Jesus were said to have fallen asleep...

In 1st century Judea, the CCTV was turned off, conveniently, same as with this more recent elite crime, never to be punished.
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Quote from: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
Or America could've nuked Moscow and Berlin. That would've put a stop to the whole mess. We didn't mind nuking Japan, after all, to "shorten the war." Would've been a hell of a casualty count, though.

Jewish scientists, who were not yet American, wanted to nuke the Germans, but not the Japanese.  That was their opposition to the use of the bomb against Japan, not because of humanitarianism, but because of justifiable prejudice.  The Chinese on the other hand, would have preferred to see the Japanese exterminated, for justifiable prejudice.
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Quote from: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 12:45:33 PM
You keep thinking Hitler and Stalin wanted to fight each other.  They didn't.  Hitler was an idiot.  Stalin could barely hold the Soviet Union together.  All Hitler had to do was leave him alone and invade England.

Stalin wasn't ready.  Finland was a disaster.  And he hadn't recovering from decimating the Red Army officer corp.  With the defeat of France and more or less defeat of Britain, Hitler was ready to invade the Soviet Union.  Still stupid of Hitler to do so.  Opportunity doesn't equal "must do it now".
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Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 11:00:47 AM
Calm down. It's not a personal attack. Besides I'm married for 47 years to a Jewish woman. Calling out a Jew as self-hating is of the form in her family... almost a term of endearment...

There were Nazi officers married to Jewish women too.  Not proof that you aren't nuts.
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Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 11:25:05 AM
Perhaps a little history: self-hating Jews was used on Jews who disagree with Israel's Zionist policies back in the 1960's or so. But later on, it was used so often, for multiple reasons to the point that it became sort like a joke.

Wrong.  Much older.  It is part of the internalization of Gentile abuse from 200 CE forward.  And it helped the Rabbis to keep the Laity in line.  Actually modern Israel is a heresy, pushed by the Rothschilds to break up the Ottoman Empire.  Any religious Jew knows that no human being, including a Zionist, can establish a messianic kingdom.
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Quote from: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 01:18:10 PM
They wanted him dead.  Not some conspiracy, prisoners and guards just like people like him dead.  Deliberate indifference and permitted opportunity....

Regarding Epstein.
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Quote from: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:49:12 PM
There were Nazi officers married to Jewish women too.  Not proof that you aren't nuts.

I don't think those officers were officers for very long. Even if the grandfather on your cousin-in-law's was Jewish, you were barred as an officer. And a good chance you'd end up in a concentration camp.

Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 01:38:17 PM
Like I said, Hitler was an bad general and insisted on proving it.  Most Dictators are.

Corporal Hitler.  Genius, like Wile E Coyote.
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Quote from: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:51:19 PM
Wrong.  Much older.  It is part of the internalization of Gentile abuse from 200 CE forward.  And it helped the Rabbis to keep the Laity in line.  Actually modern Israel is a heresy, pushed by the Rothschilds to break up the Ottoman Empire.  Any religious Jew knows that no human being, including a Zionist, can establish a messianic kingdom.

My experience is from the 6-day war. Many Jews were appalled by Israel's inclination to grab more land. They were ok with an Israel state, but opposed Israel desire to expand. Their criticism was met with this "self-hating Jew".  Anyway, it's possible the term dates way back...

Baruch

#145
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 01:57:20 PM
Here's an interesting tidbit about the nuke. Einstein was alerted by a colleague that Germany had embarked on a program to develop a nuclear bomb. This prompted Einstein to write the famous letter directly to Roosevelt, enough to convince the president to start the Manhattan Project, which in effect produced the first nuke. But the irony of this is that indeed, Germany had started this project but it was in the hands of none other than Heisenberg, of the famous Uncertainty Principle in QM. But after the war, Heisenberg said on record that he deliberately push the research into blind-alleys - he never intended that Hitler would get such a bomb. So all that scare stuff that the US was racing against the clock to build the bomb before Germany was based on some misguided ill-informed dude who made a wrong evaluation of Germany's program.  Consider what history would have been without this blunder!!

Szilard wrote the letter.  Einstein reviewed it and signed it.  The young Teller was Szilard's driver.  Heisenberg lied, this has been proven.  Like Heiddegar, he wanted to cover his own Nazi sympathies.  What set things back for Germany were two things.  They mismeasured the ability of graphite as a moderator.  The German professor who did this, was never double checked, because Germany ... So they had to rely on heavy water.  And Heisenberg actually developed a prototype-nuclear-reactor in Berlin, like Fermi at Chicago, using enriched uranium and heavy water.  But theoreticians make lousy experimenters.  Heisenberg's reactor had bad stability, and blew up (too much power, eh Tim the Toolman?).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCc9XfNoBE

He was trying to build a new one in the redoubt in Bavaria.  But the heavy water was cut off by Norwegian partisans.  The Wehrmacht asked Heisenberg about a weapon.  But it would take too much time and too much resources relative to the war effort.  In a Hitler peace, they would have pursued it.  They thought that the V1 and V2 would be sufficient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K3Ry2K4yNE

The plant was never completely taken out.  The sinking of the ferry in deep water, that had the remaining supplies of heavy water, that did it.  Later investigation of the wreck, showed that it was the correct ferry.  The barrels had heavy water in different degrees of enrichment.

OSS sent an assassin, with the option of assassinating Heisenberg.  The agent decided, based on the conference in Italy where Heisenberg was, that he wasn't smart enough to be a short term threat.
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#146
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 02:10:19 PM
It's time for you to get informed on the subject.

You are a German apologist?  For whatever reason.
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#147
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 02:16:04 PM
Yeah, I've read that as well, but some people are skeptical about Heisenberg's claim. I don't know what the consensus is, but I think he was probably stalling the bomb project as much as he could.

Heisenberg, like Von Braun, was a liar.  They were both pro-Nazi.  Many Germans had reasons to hide their sympathies after the war.  And the US brought the German germ warfare specialist to the US, under Operation Paperclip.  Also helped the Japanese cover up their germ warfare and nuclear research in Korea.  We needed Japan and German on-side, at any cost.
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Quote from: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 03:07:28 PM
You should have read the opening paragraph. 

In part:  "And the news isn't good for those who would like to believe that Heisenberg tried to subvert the Nazi atomic bomb effort. Heisenberg told Bohr about the work and expressed no misgivings about participating in it, a British newspaper reports, citing a secret letter from Bohr to Heisenberg."

Heisenberg wasn't a mass murderer by intent, no more than Von Braun.  But their work, did or would have led, to mass murder.  They were Nazis and German patriots.
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Quote from: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:00:00 PM
Szilard wrote the letter.  Einstein reviewed it and signed it.  The young Teller was Szilard's driver.  Heisenberg lied, this has been proven.  Like Heiddegar, he wanted to cover his own Nazi sympathies.  What set things back for Germany were two things.  They mismeasured the ability of graphic as a moderator.  The German professor who did this, was never double checked, because Germany ... So they had to rely on heavy water.  And Heisenberg actually developed a prototype-nuclear-reactor in Berlin, like Fermi at Chicago, using enriched uranium and heavy water.  But theoreticians make lousy experimenters.  Heisenberg's reactor had bad stability, and blew up (too much power, eh Tim the Toolman?).

He was trying to build a new one in the redoubt in Bavaria.  But the heavy water was cut off by Norwegian partisans.  The Wehrmacht asked Heisenberg about a weapon.  But it would take too much time and too much resources relative to the war effort.  In a Hitler peace, they would have pursued it.

The plant was never completely taken out.  The sinking of the ferry in deep water, that had the remaining supplies of heavy water, that did it.  Later investigation of the wreck, showed that it was the correct ferry.  The barrels had heavy water in different degrees of enrichment.

Perhaps he was caught between two sentiments: help his native country or had qualms in developing such a dangerous thing. We'll never know the real truth. Historians are divided on Heisenberg's claim. What was found after the war - the nuclear reactor - was not in anyway something that could produce a bomb. So on that record, Heisenberg has an alibi, perhaps conveniently.  Now did he not work on the bomb because of his ethics or because he thought it couldn't be done due to lack of time/resource, that's another question.