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Offline aitm

Re: The "Great Commission" and the Harm it Has Done
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2019, 12:22:50 PM »
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Revenge fantasy.  Egyptians, Canaanites, Midianites etc ... were a rough neighborhood.  Has nothing to do with modern people.

Exactly. The writers of the babble wrote it for that day, that week, that month. The grandest reward in the OT is a flock of rams. Nothing in that piece of crap has anything to do with modern people. It was written by people who thought the sky was water, why give the rest any more value?
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline SGOS

Re: The "Great Commission" and the Harm it Has Done
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2019, 12:33:27 PM »
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Exactly. The writers of the babble wrote it for that day, that week, that month. The grandest reward in the OT is a flock of rams. Nothing in that piece of crap has anything to do with modern people. It was written by people who thought the sky was water, why give the rest any more value?
For various reasons, I suppose.  For the mystics, I suppose it's the charm of ancient scrolls, written by unknown scribes practicing the dark arts long lost to modern men.  For the average Joe, it's just indoctrination and lack of critical thinking.  For the Pope, it's useful in protecting an empire.

Re: The "Great Commission" and the Harm it Has Done
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2019, 12:44:01 PM »
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  For the average Joe,

WTF

Offline drunkenshoe

Re: The "Great Commission" and the Harm it Has Done
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2019, 03:52:35 PM »
This is a problem of administration and marketing imho. Not a problem of theology. Theology is the required mythical narrative, nothing more. Everything is about administration and military and how you work them.

Chirsitanity didn't start as anything or with any claim. There were always countless 'prophecies' of saviors and religion like beliefs promising to save people. It's human narrative, one day we will be saved. Humans are fascinated by making up ends for themselves. Good or bad. Oldest game. Think about these religions or beliefs like countless plants blossoming and dying but one sticking well and becoming a huge tree in time.

The Roman Empire. Roughly, as you all know 'the nobles' have all the land, power, money, production...etc everything, and they also have countless slaves and soldiers. There is no room, no place for any other people. Nobody is paying citizens. They don't have anything. Beliefs are generally pretty much like so called monotheist religions. Everybody is placed where they are by the gods. If you are slave or a master there is obviously a 'divine' reason for it.   

But Christianity tells a different story. There is a so called 'equal chance' if you compare it with the chances in the ancient world. Clean slate and everfyone ends up in the same places. It's not a surprise it spread among slaves and soldiers. They are the majority. And it took hundreds of years. Then it arrived to a point that they had to sit down on a table and make it official in 4th century so they could administrate the masses and there is a need for reformation concerning the administration. And it is very clever for its day.

In short, if it didn't spread among the soldiers first, then slaves there wouldn't be a religion called Christianity. Constantine would pee himself if he was conscious in his sick bed. Or may be he did. The army. But he was needed to be known as a convert of course. That's how you provide order in the army. Did you guys know that they even forged an imperial decree -probably in 8th century- which claims Constantine left the Western parts of the empire and Rome to papacy? LOL   

Well, hundreds of years this religion exists here and there in some forms and suddenly there is the story of this virgin woman appears from nowhere -no Christian before 4th century even heard of- giving brith to a man who is the god but actually isn't ...because he is his son, but then...blah blah. We also have a family now.

For example, disciples are very important from a marketing point in my opinion. Because contrary to the modern mind's look there should be a distance between him and the people doesn't matter how direct he preaches. There is a need of story tellers, witnesses. They make the whole thing very organic, realistic. Otherwise it doesn't work. How shall we know about him? How violently he was tortured and killed for us. They are also very human, ordinary people, but also have authority. They also lived through a lot you know. 

It looks very simple to me. It works. Add as needed. The texts...well they are texts. Scholiasts alone probably added quite an amount of stuffs. Copied their own versions...they believed in it. May be misunderstood and copied wrongly, lol. They had little light. 

 
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Re: The "Great Commission" and the Harm it Has Done
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2019, 05:58:06 PM »
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I never thought about that before. Christians belonging to the various sects prefer to increase their sect's numbers via procreation rather than to be so rude as to try to "steal" a convert belonging to another sect.

Do they know that to follow the gospel too closely can result in a lot of trouble?

Yeah, as Robert G. Ingersoll said, "If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane."
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Offline Baruch

Re: The "Great Commission" and the Harm it Has Done
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2019, 07:06:30 PM »
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I never thought about that before. Christians belonging to the various sects prefer to increase their sect's numbers via procreation rather than to be so rude as to try to "steal" a convert belonging to another sect.

Do they know that to follow the gospel too closely can result in a lot of trouble?

New Testament is completely incompatible with the Roman Empire, let alone modern society.  But Jesus didn't follow the procreation rule.  That is Jewish.  Jesus was a Buddhist evangelist from Kashmir ;-)  As a fictional character, not as a real person.  Like Hollywood "based on real events".
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Offline Baruch

Re: The "Great Commission" and the Harm it Has Done
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2019, 07:07:33 PM »
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Exactly. The writers of the babble wrote it for that day, that week, that month. The grandest reward in the OT is a flock of rams. Nothing in that piece of crap has anything to do with modern people. It was written by people who thought the sky was water, why give the rest any more value?

Shakespeare ... all about Queen Elizabeth and King James.  Totally obsolete.  Go attend a performance of "Piss Christ".  Too hell with the Beatles, Acid Rock is real art.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2019, 07:16:38 PM by Baruch »
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Offline Baruch

Re: The "Great Commission" and the Harm it Has Done
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2019, 07:09:21 PM »
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Yeah, as Robert G. Ingersoll said, "If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane."

Voltaire ... kill all the Jews and their Christian and Muslim followers?  Modern antisemitism.  Religion of Reason, in Paris, in Reign of Terror.  With the followup from Nietzsche?  Good stuff.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2019, 07:16:15 PM by Baruch »
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
Say it again.  I don't understand you.

 

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