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Started by Absolute_Agent, June 16, 2019, 09:02:36 PM

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aileron

Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 12:51:15 PM
Reductionism (pushed by physicists) does require all three.
No

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
-- President Merkin Muffley

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! -- President Merkin Muffley

My mom was a religious fundamentalist. Plus, she didn't have a mouth. It's an unusual combination. -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

Baruch

Quote from: aileron on August 11, 2019, 12:54:58 PM
No

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
-- President Merkin Muffley

New edit above.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

aileron

Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 12:56:42 PM
New edit above.
Still no.

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
-- President Merkin Muffley

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! -- President Merkin Muffley

My mom was a religious fundamentalist. Plus, she didn't have a mouth. It's an unusual combination. -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

Baruch

Quote from: Sal1981 on August 11, 2019, 11:21:50 AM
Soooo, The epic of Gilgamesh is real?

A real set of clay tablets from the library of King Ashurbanipal of Assyria (and other tablet fragments).  Look, if the Gilgamesh story (a myth retold by Babylonians) isn't true then Babylon and Assyria never existed.  Look, if George Washington chopping down the cherry tree (a myth) is false, then America doesn't exist.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: aileron on August 11, 2019, 12:58:45 PM
Still no.

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
-- President Merkin Muffley

Respectfully disagree.  The rest of you can resume expressing your usual tourettes syndrome ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

#590
Quote from: Absolute_Agent on August 11, 2019, 09:43:09 AM
If one is without belief in God, how can that one NOT be opposed the idea of God?  I haven't met one atheist who does not oppose the idea of God.  You wish that you could ignore it, but you can't.  Because the fact you can't ignore it betrays the subconscious knowledge that there is something that must be opposed in order to maintain your intellectual position, which implies that God exists.Throughout recorded history, the existence of God has been the default position.  Civilization is founded upon this position.  That's why simply asserting that with some scientific mumbo jumbo atheism is the default position simply doesn't work.  You would have to first go back to the prehistoric times, have everyone become cavemen, then rebuild a new civilization from scratch founded on atheism.  Which you can never do. 

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Default cultural position more or less.  But atheists are mostly 13 year old autistic males ;-) .. those who are 13, or who are older with arrested development ;-))

That and they are fanatical followers of Plato.  They are part of the elite outside the Cave.  They accept the need for a secular deceitful tyranny run by intellectuals.  They get catalyzed in universities/colleges ... something founded by Plato.  And yes, Plato wanted all the poets killed, particularly Homer Simpson.  Plato wanted New Athenian Man like 1984 wants NewSpeak.  Even music was to be dictatorially regulated.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Sal1981 on August 11, 2019, 11:47:15 AM
old text ≠ true text

We have plenty of old fables, written literature, that is as true as todays Mickey Mouse or Superman. The age of a text proves nothing, but you already know that.
Funny you should write that. Here, before Sigmundur Brestisson came along, we believed in the old Norse gods, right up until around the year 1,000. The same was the case for Zeus, Wotan, Isis, etc., there's even text for those gods. What happened to them, hmmm?

US Declaration of Independence ... old fable.  Means nothing.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Absolute_Agent on August 11, 2019, 10:57:38 AM
It is intellectually dishonest to equate the idea of God with pure imagination. 

How's that? You have no proof for the existence of God. So I can say the same about you being intellectually dishonest.

QuoteThe existence of God has been documented since the dawn of civilization, in scriptures all over the world. Wouldn't this suggest there is an immaterial cause for all material phenomena

No it only proves that people have an imagination to create fictitious creatures.

QuoteIf as QFT suggests, all is purely energy... Isn't it rational to consider that external material forms are no more "real" than internal mental forms?

???

No, it only means that at quantum level, we can't differentiate what came first (the cause) from what came second (the effect). It's inconsequential when you do a calculation or derive a solution. So thinking in terms of cause/effect is superfluous, obsolete.

QuoteIF you consider the universe as nothing but energy.  But the universe isn't just a mass of energy.  It's trees, rocks, planets, animals, water, etc.  In other words, it's energy organized in a particular way.

It's called entropy. Read up on it.

Quote-IF you believe energy is neither created or destroyed.  An assumption.

Yes, but God is an assumption also. And science is better than religion, any time of the day. No science means that you'd be still living in a cave, with a life expectancy of 35 years. Right now you're benefiting from the advancements in science - the internet, iphone, GPS, TV, radio, MRI, electricity... the list is endless. While religion enslaves your mind. Keeps you in poverty, except for the rich who uses religion to get the poor to do their bidding. Religion is like a cancer.
 
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It does not prove religion is about deception, unless you can prove there is no God, which you can't.  It only proves that theism is the bedrock of civilization, and therefore the default position. 


You've been deceived all your life, so how would you know the difference?

Sal1981

Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 01:07:23 PM
US Declaration of Independence ... old fable.  Means nothing.
I think you're conflating content with context.

SGOS

Quote from: Sal1981 on August 11, 2019, 11:47:15 AM
before Sigmundur Brestisson came along, we believed in the old Norse gods, right up until around the year 1,000. The same was the case for Zeus, Wotan, Isis, etc., there's even text for those gods. What happened to them, hmmm?
Man has always known a god existed.  In the last 50,000 years, he has refined his knowledge of God.  He kept getting it better until finally he's got it right, and this is the last one, just a few more tweaks, and man's knowledge will be complete.

Baruch

#595
Quote from: Sal1981 on August 11, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
I think you're conflating content with context.

They are both false.  People ascribe meaning to what has none.  Gospel according to MikeCL ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: SGOS on August 11, 2019, 01:35:26 PM
Man has always known a god existed.  In the last 50,000 years, he has refined his knowledge of God.  He kept getting it better until finally he's got it right, and this is the last one, just a few more tweaks, and man's knowledge will be complete.

Typical megalomania of fellow travelers of Guardians in Plato's Republic.  Intelligentsia is always hostile to democracy.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Sal1981

Quote from: SGOS on August 11, 2019, 01:35:26 PM
Man has always known a god existed.  In the last 50,000 years, he has refined his knowledge of God.  He kept getting it better until finally he's got it right, and this is the last one, just a few more tweaks, and man's knowledge will be complete.
LOL

Like how 50k years ago, people made small clay figurines of mother goddesses, they now make huge cathedrals and massive statutes. Next up: a statue you can see from geostationary orbit.

Baruch

#598
Quote from: Sal1981 on August 11, 2019, 01:39:20 PM
LOL

Like how 50k years ago, people made small clay figurines of mother goddesses, they now make huge cathedrals and massive statutes. Next up: a statue you can see from geostationary orbit.

No .. a giant dick/lingam.  No need for a complete statue.  The ascent of yonis are temporary.  And didn't the Nazca people already make outlined figures that can be seen from space?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

SGOS

Quote from: Sal1981 on August 11, 2019, 01:39:20 PM
LOL

Like how 50k years ago, people made small clay figurines of mother goddesses, they now make huge cathedrals and massive statutes. Next up: a statue you can see from geostationary orbit.
That should scare away the extraterrestrials.