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Started by Munch, June 08, 2019, 01:51:17 PM

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Baruch

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 10, 2019, 09:31:24 AM
You keep talking about these vague groups. I cannot investigate vague groups.

I am asking, in good faith, for you to give me something to investigate. I will give my honest opinion on whether or not the source(s) you name constitute a legitimate threat to straight rights, whether at a local or national level. I will not move the goal posts. If I find your evidence lacking, I will  tell you why and then simply ask if you have a better example. Very simple and straightforward. You may take your time finding evidence you think will convince me, just make sure to @ me so I’ll see it.


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There are no Gay einsatz-gruppen going around liquidating Straight folks.  Yet.  They have to get the well tailored metro-sexual Nazi uniforms approved first.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

viocjit

Gay pride seem folkloric and ridiculous to me but it make me laugh (Stereotypes about gays and lesbians show in this event and costumes).
I think this event must exist even if I'm straight to recall us LGBTQ+ have the right to exist.
I saw gay pride as a political and funny event to say some LGBTQ+ assume what they are and are determined to defend theirs civil rights.

I'd like to recall some decade ago it was possible for LGBTQ+ to be prosecuted by justice in the majority of countries in the Western world.
Some time ago anal and oral sex in male to male relationship was illegal in some US states.
Some time ago anal and oral sex in straight relationship was illegal in some US states.
In 2003 sodomy laws were invalidated by Supreme Court of United States with Lawrence v. Texas (Full case name : John Geddes Lawrence and Tyron Garner v Texas , United States Reports : 539 U.S. 558 (Open the page 558 of United States Reports volume 539 to find the case))

This case law on Wikipedia : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas
Read the case law : https://www.loc.gov/item/usrep539558/
More about anti-sodomy laws in USA (Some of these are still in state statute even if unenforceable because of Lawrence v. Texas) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

In Federal Republic of Germany homosexuality was illegal until 1969 because of sektion 175 of Strafgesetzbuch (Criminal code).
What was §175 StGB ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_175

I cited only two Western countries as examples but there was in history many Western countries in which homosexuality was banned.
I refuse to forget all these life who were destroyed in the Western World and elsewhere because they had a different sexuality.


Even if LGBTQ+ in Western World can't be prosecuted by justice because of theirs sexual practices or appearances there are still people who are against their life mode who want to take their right (Christian fundies for examples) down.
We must not forget homosexuality is nowadays illegal in many parts of the world.
Read this item on Wikipedia about LGBTQ+ rights in the world : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#LGBT-related_laws_by_country_or_territory

aitm

Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on June 09, 2019, 09:02:15 PM
ignore it at your peril.


Well......I didn't know you were an "elitist bitch"....but now that I do......er.......carry on.
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Draconic Aiur

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 10, 2019, 08:46:32 AM
Translation: "I don't have a rebuttal, so I'll just keep insulting you until you give up."

Fuck You. You and Shinaru are the ones who started attacking me and now your playing the victim like always!

Hijiri Byakuren

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 10, 2019, 04:54:21 PM
Fuck You. You and Shinaru are the ones who started attacking me and now your playing the victim like always!
I only attacked your argument, Drac. If you took it personally, that’s your problem.


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Draconic Aiur

Argument? No you attacked me and ignored my argument and now you are denying it.

Baruch

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 10, 2019, 05:15:40 PM
Argument? No you attacked me and ignored my argument and now you are denying it.

Best to get calmed down sir.  In the 19th century American South, you would have been in so many duels, your SO would stop trying to patch your shirts ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Hijiri Byakuren

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 10, 2019, 05:15:40 PM
Argument? No you attacked me and ignored my argument and now you are denying it.
The closest I have come to initiating a personal attack against you is when I made fun of your ad hominem attempts. Even then I was addressing your words, not your person.

You have called me names. You have sworn at me. These are attacks on my person, and they are unwarranted. You need to walk it back a bit.
Speak when you have something to say, not when you have to say something.

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Hakurei Reimu

Quote from: Munch on June 09, 2019, 09:06:31 PM
Well fact is, these things are happening now, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't get to call others out on it. We live in a time of heavily social and political tension, and the open access to debate and conversation so easily now means there will be more shit flung either end of the spectrum.
You're not going to achieve the moral high ground by purposefully antagonizing people. You're basically admitting to inviting the outrage, and that's exactly what you got. The moral impact of that kind of scenario is quite limited.

I mean, come on. The SJW twits don't need your help being offended by what you say and do. Why invite more crap? It's one thing if you were just minding your own business and you get attacked, but quite another to bait that kind of response purposefully. One is an actual moral high ground that might spur people to action; the other instead invites people to grab a box of popcorn and watch the fur fly.

I'm reminded of the old adage, "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig enjoys itself." And I'm not sure who the pig is representing here.
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Munch

Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on June 10, 2019, 06:12:32 PM
You're not going to achieve the moral high ground by purposefully antagonizing people. You're basically admitting to inviting the outrage, and that's exactly what you got. The moral impact of that kind of scenario is quite limited.

I mean, come on. The SJW twits don't need your help being offended by what you say and do. Why invite more crap? It's one thing if you were just minding your own business and you get attacked, but quite another to bait that kind of response purposefully. One is an actual moral high ground that might spur people to action; the other instead invites people to grab a box of popcorn and watch the fur fly.

I'm reminded of the old adage, "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig enjoys itself." And I'm not sure who the pig is representing here.

Just to open a discussion then, what would you do about militant sjws, those in the system or in public positions who influence and push that toxic mindset, because that kind of behavior isn't something I'd ignore anymore then if joe hick wanted to ban abortions or gay marriage.
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Draconic Aiur


Shiranu

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QuoteJust to open a discussion then, what would you do about militant sjws, those in the system or in public positions who influence and push that toxic mindset...

Vote them out, or disagree with them and call them on their bullshit if they were a public figure.

But... yet again... what militant SJWs are in charge of the system?

Quote...because that kind of behavior isn't something I'd ignore anymore then if joe hick wanted to ban abortions or gay marriage.


What, exactly, is a "militant SJW"? What are the exact qualifications, the criteria, to fit that?

I can tell you exactly who is anti-LGBT rights, who is anti-woman rights, pro-theocracy, a white supremacist, etc. ... they have clearly defined policy positions and social views.

Calling someone a "SJW" is meaningless though, because that term seems to have 100 meanings for every 100 hundred people. What you or pr consider a "SJW", I might agree with you 5%, 10% of the time. What, say, Hijiri thinks is nutty enough to be a SJW but maybe not "militant", you might see as the next coming of Hitler.

There is no real policy, no set definition of what a "SJW" is. It's the modern day equivalent of calling someone a "Commie". It's not a statement about their actual beliefs, just what you believe about them.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

#132
On the topic of gay pride parades and obnoxious trolls...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/white-nationalist-group-interrupts-detroit-pride-event-appear-to-urinate-on-israeli-flag

QuoteA group of white nationalists marched on an LGBTQ event in Detroit on Saturday, demonstrating Nazi salutes and carrying weapons.

Members of the National Socialist Movement (NSM) caused outrage at the event meant to celebrate gay pride, and one member was photographed appearing to urinate on an Israeli flag.

The Motor City Pride is described on its Facebook event page as the largest pride month event in Michigan, with 40,000 people marked as attending. On Saturday, some individuals tried unsuccessfully to stop the NSM group from entering the streets, which were blocked off by police and lined with rainbow flags.

...

A prominent former NSM member, J.T. Ready, said in a blog post in 2008 that he felt permitted to protest because minority groups have done the same for their "sick" beliefs.

When you are using the same justification, and want to do a toned-down version of what literal Nazis are doing, surely that's a wakeup call to reevaluate your position, right?
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Hydra009

#133
Quote from: Shiranu on June 10, 2019, 07:48:15 PM
There is no real policy, no set definition of what a "SJW" is. It's the modern day equivalent of calling someone a "Commie". It's not a statement about their actual beliefs, just what you believe about them.
It's certainly a popular smear, and a very subjective one at that (right-wingers are particularly prone to false positives) but SJWs do have a rather stereotyped look, list of grievances, and tactics employed to try to change other people's behavior to their liking.  It's a bit nebulous, but it's not fictitious.

Though the 2016 election hit them pretty hard and they got a hell of a backlash from liberals, independents, and conservatives (sadly, it seems that the main thing conservatives hate about SJWs is that they're not on the right).

Honestly, idk why we're even talking about SJWs (or social injustice warriors) anymore.  They are alone. They are a dying people. We should let them pass.

Shiranu

QuoteIt's certainly a popular smear, and a very subjective one at that (right-wingers are particularly prone to false positives) but SJWs do have a rather stereotyped look, list of grievances, and tactics employed to try to change other people's behavior to their liking.  It's a bit nebulous, but it's not fictitious.


True, but I feel like you could say the same about "Commie"; there were certainly people who actually did fit the political and social mold of a communist, but the overwhelming majority of "commies" were simply people who held views slightly more progressive or socially aware than the person judging them (someone who was, at least socially, noticeably right-of-centre themselves).
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur