Author Topic: Introduction and background  (Read 2614 times)

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2019, 09:10:55 AM »
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self-projecting your misery on others much? I am sitting by my pool downing a cold one, watching the grandkid play with the dogs. Got filet mignon in the fridge for the grill tonight. I have insurance as well so even if someone smashed my car no worries....sides I also have a X-5 in the garage so I got a spare car. You should try that, you know...get a job...work for once....get insurance. That easy to do when you work to gain the material things that make life enjoyable. Too bad you can't enjoy life until you die---you hope-but hey....good luck with that poking yer side with a fish hook and all.


Gee, I didn't know that you can read in my mind and know whether I work or not or whether I own this or that and whether I have the insurance or not.
Oh, by the way here in Australia if somebody smash your car and you can not find the culprit the insurance will make you pay the excess which could be a lot of money.
I suppose that even in your country the same policy apply.
All your grand smartness is all a big puff up.
Better come down to planet earth Mister.
When you were born, you were crying and everyone around you was smiling. Live your life so that when you die, you’re the one smiling and everyone around you is crying. Tulsi Das

Offline Baruch

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2019, 09:31:47 AM »
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Gee, I didn't know that you can read in my mind and know whether I work or not or whether I own this or that and whether I have the insurance or not.
Oh, by the way here in Australia if somebody smash your car and you can not find the culprit the insurance will make you pay the excess which could be a lot of money.
I suppose that even in your country the same policy apply.
All your grand smartness is all a big puff up.
Better come down to planet earth Mister.

US auto insurance is no-fault.  If your car breaks because of collision, the collision is prima facie for repair or replacement
Saudi auto insurance is all-fault.  If you car breaks because of collision, the police arrests all parties (they assume partial fault on all involved).  That and if your family doesn't come and feed you in jail, you starve.

<insert sound of Saudi women ululation here>
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
Say it again.  I don't understand you.

Offline Sal1981

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2019, 09:54:33 AM »
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Hi everyone. I grew up in the non-denominational Christian Church. It's very fundamentalist and pretty extreme. A lot of focus on death, power, sex, and suffering. About 2002, I started moving towards dystheism (the belief that God isn't totally good), and in 2016 moved to misotheism and maltheism (being against God and the belief that God is wholly or mostly evil). Later in 2016, I left the church and at the end of 2016 I went public with being atheist. Since then I've continued to post articles on a daily basis on my fb page on what bad things are going on in the theist world and what good things are happening in the world of everything else. I've met several times with the Louisville Atheist and Freethinkers. I'm here to gather good arguments and data I can use to counter theist nonsense.
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Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2019, 10:35:56 AM »
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US auto insurance is no-fault.  If your car breaks because of collision, the collision is prima facie for repair or replacement
Saudi auto insurance is all-fault.  If you car breaks because of collision, the police arrests all parties (they assume partial fault on all involved).  That and if your family doesn't come and feed you in jail, you starve.

<insert sound of Saudi women ululation here>


I came in the US one time and I don't think I will come again.
It was a bad experience and from what you say is even worse.

Run by a warmonger and supported by gun fanatics.
When you were born, you were crying and everyone around you was smiling. Live your life so that when you die, you’re the one smiling and everyone around you is crying. Tulsi Das

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2019, 10:50:41 AM »
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There's no evidence that God started any religions, but there is no evidence that God existed before religions, yet here you are believing unfounded claims anyway. And stop talking about NDEs. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


Are you really saying that these NDEs are all lies and hallucinations?

What about real people who had a real physical problem that lead them to the casualty room with real doctors in real hospitals?
And what about their real death certified by these real doctors and while physically dead they could see what was going on all around and what about their clear and sharp recollection of those events even after years and years?

Do you know what is the difference between an hallucination and a real event?
When you were born, you were crying and everyone around you was smiling. Live your life so that when you die, you’re the one smiling and everyone around you is crying. Tulsi Das

Offline aitm

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2019, 12:27:45 PM »
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It is what people let money do to them.

Unbeliever is the only legitimate socialist posting here.  The rest of you are liberal as in faux-socialist.

ooo  boo-hoo...Cry me a river.

If someone wants to live under a tree, I don't care. Stand on a corner and beg for beer money I don't care.
My charitable contributions were 5 grand last year on my taxes and that doesn't take into account probably another 2 or 3 in general such as 50 on a 5.00 car wash etc. Don't care what you want to label someone as due to them working hard and enjoying life. Sounds like you desperately want a vehicle and a small garage. That would fix what ever guilt you are suffering with and task yourself with projecting that sense to others. Meh...doesn't work.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

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Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2019, 12:38:08 PM »
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Do you know what is the difference between an hallucination and a real event?
A question you might want to seriously contemplate yourself before asking others.

Offline Baruch

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2019, 03:37:31 PM »
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I came in the US one time and I don't think I will come again.
It was a bad experience and from what you say is even worse.

Run by a warmonger and supported by gun fanatics.

True.  Not at all enlightened per S Asia/E Asia.  We have always been warmongers (Obama too).  Very materialist, very un-self-examined ;-(  I do what I can, but I am just one man.  Moving to Four Corners to generate better Feng Shui ;-)
« Last Edit: June 10, 2019, 03:40:12 PM by Baruch »
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2019, 03:39:08 PM »
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ooo  boo-hoo...Cry me a river.

If someone wants to live under a tree, I don't care. Stand on a corner and beg for beer money I don't care.
My charitable contributions were 5 grand last year on my taxes and that doesn't take into account probably another 2 or 3 in general such as 50 on a 5.00 car wash etc. Don't care what you want to label someone as due to them working hard and enjoying life. Sounds like you desperately want a vehicle and a small garage. That would fix what ever guilt you are suffering with and task yourself with projecting that sense to others. Meh...doesn't work.

How American of you! ;-)  Low EQ.
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2019, 02:12:43 AM »
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So ... congrats on not being born in Somalia.  Not saying you are one, but you do sound like one ...

But nobody here knows the word "champagne" or "socialist" or "champaign socialist".  That was my point.  Not how well you have done for yourselves, that is bourgeois.

"a person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle."

Champagne socialists are among the most disgusting political segment around, in terms of corruption and hypocrisy.  No, it isn't the money.  It is what people let money do to them. As in "he won the lotto and destroyed his life".

"In Marxist philosophy, the bourgeoisie is the social class that came to own the means of production during modern industrialization and whose societal concerns are the value of property and the preservation of capital to ensure the perpetuation of their economic supremacy in society."

Unbeliever is the only legitimate socialist posting here.  The rest of you are liberal as in faux-socialist.

And congratulations to yourself.  You are the only monarchist wanna-be I've ever known. 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Offline Baruch

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2019, 04:05:51 AM »
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And congratulations to yourself.  You are the only monarchist wanna-be I've ever known.

See post under Politics ;-)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2019, 04:16:39 AM »
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I keep an open mind, mostly to let things out, rather than to let things in.  Also winners write the histories (see Churchill) but not honestly.  So I have to doubt the fairy tales we are told, even if they are good entertainment.

And once you are open to alternatives, I can see GB winning 1776 or Confederacy winning 1861 or Kaiser winning 1914.  Not necessarily what I would want under those circumstances, but not unthinkable.

My own ancestry (and we are all royal bastards one way or another) makes it clear, I would not want to be "the" monarch, but a good monarch is better than a bad commoner.

The American Revolution was the revenge of dissenters against King James I,

GB armies MIGHT have got down the Hudson River.  France might NOT have sailed in the Cheaspeake at Yorktown.  Pickett's Charge MIGHT have succeeded and Lee taken Washington DC.  WWI Germany MIGHT have gotten past the first trenches and taken Paris.  I love that kind of alternative history. as a matter of thought 

But they didn't for the reasons they didn't. 
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Offline Baruch

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2019, 04:46:47 AM »
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GB armies MIGHT have got down the Hudson River.  France might NOT have sailed in the Cheaspeake at Yorktown.  Pickett's Charge MIGHT have succeeded and Lee taken Washington DC.  WWI Germany MIGHT have gotten past the first trenches and taken Paris.  I love that kind of alternative history. as a matter of thought 

But they didn't for the reasons they didn't.

Many reasons.  Alternative history (realistic) is very frightening.  I have read some for WW II.  Things were very close, every damn time.  And sometimes pure luck or bad luck intervened (depending on POV).

I do think, in the context of that time, the British made a big mistake not expanding Parliament to include all White male native property holders.  Then the franchise would have expanded on both sides of the Atlantic at a more natural pace.  And the united British Empire would have abolished American slavery without a Civil War.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2019, 06:40:04 AM »
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Many reasons.  Alternative history (realistic) is very frightening.  I have read some for WW II.  Things were very close, every damn time.  And sometimes pure luck or bad luck intervened (depending on POV).

I do think, in the context of that time, the British made a big mistake not expanding Parliament to include all White male native property holders.  Then the franchise would have expanded on both sides of the Atlantic at a more natural pace.  And the united British Empire would have abolished American slavery without a Civil War.

Likely, regarding enfranchisement.  But that's the trouble with Kings.  They get all "assigned-by-god" and not very amenable to changes.  Its not like we didn't try.  We begged and pleaded.  Unsuccessfully.

I think that before Eli Whitney's "Cotton Gin") enGINe, that the end of slavery was coming and could have been possible.  But after, the British and NE demand for cotton was unstoppable.  Trade creates horrible demands.  Like the non US slaves on the cane sugar plantations.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Introduction and background
« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2019, 08:32:33 AM »
Yes the demand for rum (not bad) and cotton gin (tastes bad) determined the outcome.
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