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Started by Arik, May 08, 2019, 08:42:34 AM

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Baruch

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Don't do that.

aileron

Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 10:01:57 AM
It's not completely kludgy, there is a physical explanation.

Agreed. I was being semi-facetious. Perhaps a better term would be "fine-tuning". Fine-tuning can be okay if we have good reason to do the tuning, as in this case we probably do. In other cases such as adding more and more motions to the Ptolemaic model without understanding why there should be more and more, it's a death cry.
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My mom was a religious fundamentalist. Plus, she didn't have a mouth. It's an unusual combination. -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

Baruch

Quote from: aileron on August 21, 2019, 02:27:58 PM
Agreed. I was being semi-facetious. Perhaps a better term would be "fine-tuning". Fine-tuning can be okay if we have good reason to do the tuning, as in this case we probably do. In other cases such as adding more and more motions to the Ptolemaic model without understanding why there should be more and more, it's a death cry.

Epicycles are maligned.  They are actually Fourier analysis hundreds of years before their time.  Any motion, orbital or not, can be analyzed into a superposition of sine waves.  It was shown in another post by Unbeliever, that any motion, if you allow different centers with each component, can be broken into such epicycles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS4H6PEcCCA

Fine tuning is simply adding more epicycles to get a better approximation.
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Cavebear

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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 04:52:34 AM
Isn't this one?

He meant, down in the official adjudicated debate section (mostly unused).
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 08:34:27 AM
He meant, down in the official adjudicated debate section (mostly unused).

I only see "Show unread posts since last visit. and Show new replies to your posts."

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Baruch

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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Unbeliever

Has man ever invented a worse monster than the God of the Bible?
God Not Found
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Cavebear

Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2019, 08:27:10 PM
Has man ever invented a worse monster than the God of the Bible?

Oh certainly.  The older religions were much worse.  And the numerous deities needed more sacrifices for placation.   Children were always good sacrificial fodder.  They come; they go.  And most were going to die before adulthood anyway.
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aileron

Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 08:34:00 PM
Oh certainly.  The older religions were much worse.

In general, the older the religion the crueler the gods.

Old Testament God is an angry cloud itching to slaughter whole cities over the horrific sin of mixed fiber clothing.
New Testament God is a savior giving life in paradise who needs nothing of us but accepting of a free gift.

Being a Christian requires much more cognitive dissonance than I can muster.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! -- President Merkin Muffley

My mom was a religious fundamentalist. Plus, she didn't have a mouth. It's an unusual combination. -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

Cavebear

Quote from: aileron on August 24, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
In general, the older the religion the crueler the gods.

Old Testament God is an angry cloud itching to slaughter whole cities over the horrific sin of mixed fiber clothing.
New Testament God is a savior giving life in paradise who needs nothing of us but accepting of a free gift.

Being a Christian requires much more cognitive dissonance than I can muster.

I consider that all theisms require cognitive dissonance.
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Baruch

Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 08:49:28 PM
I consider that all theisms require cognitive dissonance.

Progress requires managed cognitive dissonance, or no alternatives would ever be entertained.
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
Progress requires managed cognitive dissonance, or no alternatives would ever be entertained.

No, that's what actually makes for BAD political and social decisions.  I avoid it myself.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 11:46:33 PM
No, that's what actually makes for BAD political and social decisions.  I avoid it myself.

So, you are Vulcan, and haven't changed your mind since you attended the Vulcan coming of age ceremony?
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