How many GODS do you have?

[aitm]

but are rather special and lucky because they reach a significant progress in the effort to reach the goal of life so the only difference between humans and low form of life is the line of progress that separate one with the other.

I know, in your mind, that makes sense. But your idea that we are where we are because there is an "effort to reach the goal of life" is just babbling arrogance. You have convince yourself...that's just fine and dandy. Your bullshit won't work here. Don't you have some incense to burn and some meditating to do? You sure spend a lot of time here instead of perfecting your OM.

[Baruch]

I know, in your mind, that makes sense. But your idea that we are where we are because there is an "effort to reach the goal of life" is just babbling arrogance. You have convince yourself...that's just fine and dandy. Your bullshit won't work here. Don't you have some incense to burn and some meditating to do? You sure spend a lot of time here instead of perfecting your OM.

Difference between bottom up and top down explanations.  With bottom up, somehow, we don't know how, the random motions of atoms makes a human, and that human voted for Gary Johnson ;-)  With top down, you start from life, from consciousness, from humanity.  But that is the traditional POV, Arik has a version of the traditional view.  Materialists must, must explain bottom up.  I have yet to hear a bottom up explanation that actually explains the mega-phenomena of human life (materialists reply ... there is no other choice other than the one we miraculously support).  Any argument that goes "we have no other choice than the choice I already made ..." is unconvincing.  And materialists took over the entire Enlightenment mantel ... though at the time, 300 years ago, the definition included top down as well.  Materialism 300 years ago was the minority position among modern thinkers.  The Marxists did the same thing it he 19th century.  200 years ago, there was more than one version of socialism, but by 100 years ago the choice had been narrowed, by propaganda, to Vladimir Lenin.

[aitm]

Difference between bottom up and top down explanations. 

If you could simply....try to make a point, instead of bouncing off walls of a plethora of nothing....perhaps....maybe....we could actually understand what the fuck you are trying to say. I know you THINK you made a point, but the fact is the gibberish that made sense to you, kinda enforces the idea you just make up shit to make yourself look "schmarter". Really, I don't have a clue what your trying to say, and if you think that this is an indication of intellectual level, you need to understand that the goal of an intellectual should be to spread their knowledge, not pontificate to the point where we think your actually ignorant.

[Baruch]

If you could simply....try to make a point, instead of bouncing off walls of a plethora of nothing....perhaps....maybe....we could actually understand what the fuck you are trying to say. I know you THINK you made a point, but the fact is the gibberish that made sense to you, kinda enforces the idea you just make up shit to make yourself look "schmarter". Really, I don't have a clue what your trying to say, and if you think that this is an indication of intellectual level, you need to understand that the goal of an intellectual should be to spread their knowledge, not pontificate to the point where we think your actually ignorant.

Sorry, but I won't write the Wikipedia for you.  No, I am not smarter.  If you think I am, that is your problem, not mine.  I am not some public intellectual, trying to achieve a greater Marxist utopia.  I will leave that to others.  And yes, I don't know everything, just some things.  So I am ignorant, same as you, but on different things.

That quote was taken out of context.  It might make more sense, in its original context, as a snippet of a dialog.  Quote the entire paragraph ... and refute that.  Otherwise it is just proof-texting.

[Arik]

I know, in your mind, that makes sense. But your idea that we are where we are because there is an "effort to reach the goal of life" is just babbling arrogance. You have convince yourself...that's just fine and dandy. Your bullshit won't work here. Don't you have some incense to burn and some meditating to do? You sure spend a lot of time here instead of perfecting your OM.

When will you ever stop contradicting yourself?

Right now you are here in this forum BECAUSE you wish to communicate and that means to learn as well.
Learning means to advance and that is a fact.

Who push you to advance Mister?

Father Christmas or something within?

Stop fooling yourself by living in your little cocoon of materialism because the force from within that keep on telling you go ahead fight very very hard to wake you up and grow you up and if you keep on resisting then you castrate yourself.
We all have our own way to advance.
Baruch aim may be to get more intellectual knowledge, my way is to reduce the distance that separate myself from the goal of life through yoga but your way is the silly possible way and it will take longer and longer to get there but there you will get anyway because there is no other place to go unless you wish to float in this material illusion for the next million years.

[aitm]

little cocoon of materialism

You really are a f-ing retard. This whole crappy argument of materialism is new age psycho-babble for inferiority complexes you suffer from. You can't afford a nice car or even a real bicycle so you rant and rave that anyone who can is a slave to your ignorant position.

Half the world doesn't even have a goddamn bowl and spoon and if they did it would be considered a treasure. Half the world is poverty stricken but here you are yapping about shit that nobody cares about except people jealous of the success of others and embarrassed by their lack of motivation and prattle on about it as if it is some great and grand idea when the truth is your just a lazy ass dead beat pretending to be some grand master of the mind. No matter how much you try you're not going to get any better sitting on your ass trying to convince people you have some secret knowledge when your just jacking off in the wind.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

When will you ever stop contradicting yourself?

He hasn't.

[Mike Cl]

And he won't.

[Arik]

You really are a f-ing retard. This whole crappy argument of materialism is new age psycho-babble for inferiority complexes you suffer from. You can't afford a nice car or even a real bicycle so you rant and rave that anyone who can is a slave to your ignorant position.

Half the world doesn't even have a goddamn bowl and spoon and if they did it would be considered a treasure. Half the world is poverty stricken but here you are yapping about shit that nobody cares about except people jealous of the success of others and embarrassed by their lack of motivation and prattle on about it as if it is some great and grand idea when the truth is your just a lazy ass dead beat pretending to be some grand master of the mind. No matter how much you try you're not going to get any better sitting on your ass trying to convince people you have some secret knowledge when your just jacking off in the wind.

Sure, Mister sure but if you know how things should be then why don't you explain how a person can break bricks with the head?

Materialism is your strong subject isn't it aitm?
A brick is made of very very hard matter but the head is made of weak matter so how a weak type of matter can break hard matter? 
Any chance you can answer this question?

[Arik]

He hasn't.

Yes, he has because on one hand he deny that there is progress towards a goal of life but on the other hand he keep on creating progress in his mind by interrelate to other minds here in this forum and possibly in his life outside this forum as well.

Of course he may not see a relation between learning for the sake of learning and learning in order to reach a spiritual goal but that matter very little because all this learning goes right within to enrich his consciousness which again can only lead to a strongest consciousness and that is progress towards a goal of life so even if he is not aware of where this learning end up
he is still contradicting his own consciousness.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

Yes, he has because on one hand he deny that there is progress towards a goal of life but on the other hand he keep on creating progress in his mind by interrelate to other minds here in this forum and possibly in his life outside this forum as well.

You’re projecting your made up conclusions onto others.

[Arik]

You’re projecting your made up conclusions onto others.

Oh, well if you are any good in knowing something about conclusions you and your friends should know how a guy can break dozen and dozen of real bricks with his head.

Let us see if you too can explain how that is possible. 

[Baruch]

You’re projecting your made up conclusions onto others.

That is the consequence of consciousness, and assuming we are the same species.  Are we?

[Baruch]

Oh, well if you are any good in knowing something about conclusions you and your friends should know how a guy can brake dozen and dozen of real bricks with his head.

Let us see if you too can explain how that is possible. 

Reality is more complicated than simple lay POV.

[Arik]

That is the consequence of consciousness, and assuming we are the same species.  Are we?

Good point.

A lot of people ignore that the seeds originate from the same tree of life.