How many GODS do you have?

[Hydra009]

First the brain is not the consciousness.
The brain is made of matter while the consciousness is an abstract entity.
The two are separate things although they reside inside the same skull.

You have yet to support that in any way.

The consciousness goes elsewhere in an other body or merge into the essence of the cosmic consciousness while the body turn his energy into other form of energy (dust, compost....or anything else) so energy never die in either cases.

If the blow of a hammer knock you off then there may be this separation which is something that we wrongly call death.

Have you seriously ever taken a science class?  Because this stuff is just straight nonsense.

[Baruch]

1) What evidence do you have to support your hypothesis?
2) How would you know if your hypothesis is wrong?
3) A hammer blow knocks unconscious not dead. Does the consciousness float outside the skull for a while until it's ready to rejoin?
4) Why postulate the duality at all in the case of #3 when it's explained more parsimoniously by naturalistic means?
5) If the consciousness does not have the memories, how can it be said to be the same consciousness transferred to another brain?

I'm looking forward to being underwhelmed by your responses. Quite frankly, I'm expecting answers that don't appreciate the problems posed by the questions. Surprise me.

The motherboard isn't the OS, let alone the MS Office.

[Baruch]

Newsflash: it doesn't.  Period.  The fact that you still think this argument holds water is really quite embarrassing since you obviously don't find it at all convincing when it's used to support a conclusion you don't like.

Life isn't over "until the fat lady sings" ... and I haven't heard her aria yet.

[aitm]

The consciousness goes elsewhere in an other body or merge into the essence of the cosmic consciousness

hoo-boy. The boy is getting all hibbety jibbety with his "theories". But hey, give anybody some good psychedelics and they can tell stories of all kinds of cosmic shit....course it's still shit.  The cosmic consciousness, sure......sure.

[josephpalazzo]

hoo-boy. The boy is getting all hibbety jibbety with his "theories". But hey, give anybody some good psychedelics and they can tell stories of all kinds of cosmic shit....course it's still shit.  The cosmic consciousness, sure......sure.

Never underestimate the consciousness...

[aileron]

The motherboard isn't the OS, let alone the MS Office.

The hardware runs the software. No magic is required.

[Sal1981]

The hardware runs the software. No magic is required.

You can also make a machine inside a machine. Virtual, yes, but still inside inside.

[Baruch]

Never underestimate the consciousness...

Never underestimate the unconsciousness - Freud

[Baruch]

The hardware runs the software. No magic is required.

It is, if the motherboard wrote the software ;-)  That would be magic.  Never has happened.  People wrote the software, someone, not something, transcendent to both hardware and software, aka wetware.  There is no AI, just a programmer at further remove from the software being executed on the hardware (at further remove from the engineer).

All claims to AI, are The Turk.  A fraud from 200 years ago, a chess playing machine.  That had a midget chess player hidden inside.  In that sense, all the chess games played by computers, are executions of the ideas put into the computer by the programmer, who "knew" how to play chess.  Except of course, a computer doesn't play chess like a human does.  It is a simulation, not an emulation.  No emulation of a chess program has ever achieved high rank, because we don't understand how humans do it in the first place.  A chess program has achieved high rank (and chess is a toy problem) because it overcomes combinatorial explosion thru massive parallel processing.  Humans don't do that.  Humans have intuition (aka we can guess what the opponent will do, because we are human also).  Intuition is impossible for hardware/software, because it isn't a human, but the product of humans.

[Baruch]

You can also make a machine inside a machine. Virtual, yes, but still inside inside.

Not quite true.  All modern computer CPUs are Turing Machines.  A Turing Machine is an idea, that can be simulated by various kinds of hardware, even by a human with paper and pencil.  Once you have a simulation of a Turing Machine, then it can do anything any other computer can do.  It is universal.  That is what makes it a Turing Machine, instead of a more limited thing.

What is a virtual machine?  That doesn't mean that the hardware is some executing code on some transcendental alien computer (we had a guy here 2 years ago who argued that reality is a computer simulation).  A virtual machine is a particular software implementation of a Turing Machine, running on the hardware implementation of a Turing Machine.  So actually not something new.  Every OS already is a virtual machine.  Only the bottom level algorithms run directly on the hardware.  The term "virtual machine" is also used in program application architecture.  One can choose to build a program that explicitly has the structure of an emulation of a Turing Machine (a CPU emulation) ... though of course this is alway implicitly true.  This is commonly done in engineering new chips.

[josephpalazzo]

You can also make a machine inside a machine. Virtual, yes, but still inside inside.

That makes me think that Babushka dolls can be dangerous...

[Baruch]

That makes me think that Babushka dolls can be dangerous...

It is Putin's mother, all the way down.

[aitm]

Never underestimate the consciousness...

yeah, I think I am not to worried about the cosmic consciousness.

[Arik]

You have yet to support that in any way.

Evidence is there my friend.
NDEs clearly show that the consciousness is able to exist outside the dead brain. 

Have you seriously ever taken a science class?  Because this stuff is just straight nonsense.

Do you seriously believe that the consciousness is a product of the brain?
This materialistic theory find less and less supporters as the days go by and soon will come the day in which materialists will be left and dump even by the science that they were worship and revere so much.

Just do a simple research on the net and see how more and more medical scientists dump the theory that the consciousness is a product of the brain.

Time to wake up mate.

[josephpalazzo]

NDEs clearly show that the consciousness is able to exist outside the dead brain. 

Except NDE's not death...