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Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #645 on: April 20, 2019, 09:24:45 AM »
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Traditional practices and asceticism aren't populist.  Buddhism faced this same pressure.  The original indigent monk system was replaced with a householder system that tangentially supported the indigent monks.  Lay people ruin everything ;-)  One can easily see this with the original followers of Jesus (not a coincidence).  The Buddha had the advantage of initial monarchial support, and Jesus did not.  Buddhism underwent the same cycle in China and Japan, again with initial monarchial support.  Miuhammad may of may not have been a contemplative ... but once he was the leader of Arabia, he was the monarch.  It took several centuries before the founder of the Han dynasty in China, made Confucianism a part of state-craft (that is also what happened to Gentile Christianity).  Daoism was a competing/contrasting Chinese practice v Confucianism.  It could be said that government sponsorship is also a death kiss.

So yes, yoga as you define it, the usual definition, is an individual practice as a disciple under a teacher.  Zen Buddhism comes close to that.  And both eschew excessive scripture.  One has to suspect that Bodhidharma, who came from S India, was not unfamiliar with yoga ;-)


Yoga is the ultimate art because it fulfill the very purpose of life which is to merge in the ocean of cosmic consciousness and to become one with it but as all other art forms it require a lot of pin pointed effort and effort without a strong desire is impossible to achieve anything.

That is the very reason why people give up or change the rules of the "game" (so to speak) in the intent to make it easier and all your accounts-description are just typical examples of how the original version turn into something that has none or little to do with what suppose to mean. 


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Let me know if you are interested in discussing Patanjali or yoga in general.  In orthodox Hinduism, the authorities tie Sankhya with Yoga, to make it astika.  I am particularly fond of Sankhya.


Here below are just two interesting comments about yoga and Patanjali from two different version of yoga that seem to have a lot in common.
I hope you find them interesting.
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When you were born, you were crying and everyone around you was smiling. Live your life so that when you die, you’re the one smiling and everyone around you is crying. Tulsi Das

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Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #646 on: April 23, 2019, 11:12:43 PM »
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Western Christian theology doesn't seem to insist on logic, either.
Well, if it -- or any other religion -- was logical, they wouldn't need faith.
Sir Terry Pratchett, on being told about the theory that the universe is a computer simulation: "If we all get out and in again, would it start to work properly this time?"

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Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #647 on: April 23, 2019, 11:36:26 PM »
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Well, if it -- or any other religion -- was logical, they wouldn't need faith.

2+2=4, therefore .... atheism is logical?  Logic doesn't get you much if your axioms are wrong.  I think we can trust arithmetic, but not much else.
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luu shalmaata luu balt’aata
May you be well, may you be healthy

Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #648 on: April 24, 2019, 12:44:06 PM »
Well, B, xtians operate under the proposition that 1+1+1 = 1

Hard to get much more illogical than that!
The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails.

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Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #649 on: April 24, 2019, 01:10:59 PM »
Yeah, when it comes to religion the numbers don't always add up:

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Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #650 on: April 28, 2019, 09:11:11 PM »
Arik -

Watched the first video.  It was very good.  I was already familiar with Paramhansa Yogananda (Autobiography of a Yogi), so I look forward to listening to more talks.
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luu shalmaata luu balt’aata
May you be well, may you be healthy

Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #651 on: May 08, 2019, 08:08:52 AM »
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Arik -

Watched the first video.  It was very good.  I was already familiar with Paramhansa Yogananda (Autobiography of a Yogi), so I look forward to listening to more talks.


If you like that particular yoga then you can find many more talks about that.
Although is not my guru I agree with many of his teachings.
After all He is a nice and sincere guy.

Good luck with that.



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When you were born, you were crying and everyone around you was smiling. Live your life so that when you die, you’re the one smiling and everyone around you is crying. Tulsi Das

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Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #652 on: May 09, 2019, 12:10:17 PM »
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If you like that particular yoga then you can find many more talks about that.
Although is not my guru I agree with many of his teachings.
After all He is a nice and sincere guy.

Good luck with that.



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You missed reading my quote regarding Yoga from the Gita?
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luu shalmaata luu balt’aata
May you be well, may you be healthy

 

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