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Offline Baruch

Intellectual Vice ...
« on: March 20, 2019, 07:10:03 PM »
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Starts with Plato.  Continues on down to Voltaire, Marx, and more recent pin-heads.
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Offline Sal1981

Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2019, 11:48:15 PM »
What I've heard of Isaac Newton, then he was an arrogant blowhard, that even bullied Leibniz, but his contributions to our physical understanding of reality is immeasurable.

You can be arrogant, you just have to have more to show for it, because less is demanded from the humble and downtrodden.


EDIT: As for epistemic vice, that can be shown as a resistance to knowledge and being close-minded.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2019, 07:28:46 AM »
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What I've heard of Isaac Newton, then he was an arrogant blowhard, that even bullied Leibniz, but his contributions to our physical understanding of reality is immeasurable.

You can be arrogant, you just have to have more to show for it, because less is demanded from the humble and downtrodden.


EDIT: As for epistemic vice, that can be shown as a resistance to knowledge and being close-minded.

Newton was a Nerd, not an intellectual.  Intellectuals are by definition, blowhards and ineffectual.  When Newton was Master of the Mint, torturing counterfeiters, he wasn't ineffectual!
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Offline Cavebear

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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2019, 09:22:56 AM »
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Newton was a Nerd, not an intellectual.  Intellectuals are by definition, blowhards and ineffectual.  When Newton was Master of the Mint, torturing counterfeiters, he wasn't ineffectual!

One can be both at the same time.  I disagree with with your definition of "intellectual". 
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Offline Baruch

Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2019, 10:59:28 AM »
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One can be both at the same time.  I disagree with with your definition of "intellectual".

That is very intellectual of you ;-)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2019, 12:53:03 PM »
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That is very intellectual of you ;-)

Well of course it is.  I'm smarter than the average bear.  But the real difference is that I sit on my cavebear ass sometimes and just "think".  Without paying attention to what pundits say on TV or radio.  I fear too many of us have lost that habit. 
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Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2019, 02:08:41 PM »
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Newton was a Nerd, not an intellectual.  Intellectuals are by definition, blowhards and ineffectual.  When Newton was Master of the Mint, torturing counterfeiters, he wasn't ineffectual!

I recently read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, by Philip Kerr, that was about Newton at the Mint:

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In 1696, Christopher Ellis, a young, hot-tempered gentleman, is sent to the Tower of London, but not as a prisoner. A sudden twist of fate has led him there to assist the renowned scientist Sir Isaac Newton, who as Warden of the Royal Mint has accepted an appointment to hunt down counterfeiters who threaten to topple the shaky, war-weakened economy. Armed with Newton’s superior intellect and Ellis’s skill with a sword, the new partners seem primed to solve the case. But when their investigation leads them to a mysterious coded message on a corpse hidden in the Lion Tower, they realize that something more sinister is afoot. In the heat of their pursuit, Newton and Ellis’s suspicions become all too real as the body count rises and the duo uncovers a menacing far-reaching plot that might lead to the collapse of the government—and cost them their very lives. An extraordinary, suspense-filled, and richly satisfying tale, Dark Matter is an engrossing mystery infused with the volatile mix of politics, science, and religion that characterized life in seventeenth-century London.


It really managed to humanize the great man, he wasn't at all arrogant or conceited. Not even as much so as Sherlock Holmes, whom he is kind of like in this book.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2019, 02:15:27 PM »
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I recently read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, by Philip Kerr, that was about Newton at the Mint:


It really managed to humanize the great man, he wasn't at all arrogant or conceited. Not even as much so as Sherlock Holmes, whom he is kind of like in this book.

I knew some of that, but not all.  Thank you for putting a practical face on a great scientist.  Intellect is not limited to only one subject.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2019, 02:52:59 PM »
Its a novel.  Not a bio.  This is a good bio ...

Never at Rest: A Biography of Isaac Newton

A brilliant yet gay man, with a terrifying temper.  And an alchemist and a Revelations nut.  Very multidimensional.
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Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2019, 01:15:50 PM »
According to the novel he was an Arianist - he didn't believe that Jesus was God. He kept that a secret from his contemporaries, though, for obvious reasons. Does anyone know if that's true of him?
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Offline Baruch

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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2019, 03:05:23 PM »
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According to the novel he was an Arianist - he didn't believe that Jesus was God. He kept that a secret from his contemporaries, though, for obvious reasons. Does anyone know if that's true of him?

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Since he believed in Revelations, trying to untangle that, he was clearly a theist.  Scholarly opinion finds him non-Anglican and Arian (early unitarian).  Why would that interest an atheist?  Newton wasn't a true deist, since he invoked G-d to avoid solar system chaos (and it turns out, we now know for over 100 years, that it is a chaotic system).  Newton couldn't have known that, since that was found out 200 years after his own time.  His interest in interpreting Daniel and Revelations shows he was a millennialist.  His alchemical work showed that he was open to various kinds of mysticism.

Over the course of the 18th century New England Puritanism mutated into Unitarianism BTW.  So he was "early".

It is easy for human scientists to be wrong.  Galileo invected against the idea that the Moon causes tides ... something subsequently proven by Newton.  Even Newton found the idea of "action at a distance", something Descartes rejected, to be absurd but he felt he had to draw that conclusion anyway.  And of course it was well beyond his time that space-time could be seen as inseparable, or that the this materially empty plenum could be curved (non-rectilinear).  But note, GR has never been extended properly to quantum theory, on SR has been.  Reconciling GR with QFT remains an open question, or even if it is reasonable to do so.
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Offline Cavebear

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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2019, 11:10:14 PM »
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Its a novel.  Not a bio.  This is a good bio ...

Never at Rest: A Biography of Isaac Newton

A brilliant yet gay man, with a terrifying temper.  And an alchemist and a Revelations nut.  Very multidimensional.

Brilliant people are often totally nuts otherwise.  It might be a version of ADHD.  Obsessive focus can be wonderful or ruinous...
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Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2019, 06:34:50 PM »
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Offline Baruch

Re: Intellectual Vice ...
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2019, 12:54:58 AM »
Why do monkeys think they know monkey shines?  The college educated intellectuals are the worst monkeys around.

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The penguins were the smarter ones.
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Offline Cavebear

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2019, 02:55:26 AM »
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No content but the video.  But "why do stupid people think they are intelligent"?  Because they think they are intelligent.

In one office, I had the misfortune to be "acting" when a routine report about average office space per employee crossed my desk.  Being a curious type, I checked the math.  It was wrong.  I called the analyst in to ask about it.  It turned out that she didn't really understand how to use a computer spreadsheet.  She just treated it as a form to fill out.  She did all her work of a calculator and typed the numbers in.

She was averaging unequal numbers.  Let's just say one Region had 100 employees and another had 1,000.  She treated their average sq ft the same.  Because she didn't understand how to use the computer to sum columns.  The averages were way false and had been all the years she "managed" the program. 

I tried to explain how to check her numbers and use the computer functions.  She considered that we were "debating" the right way to measure them.  I had to explain that I was "correcting" her errors, not debating how they should be done.  When the Boss got back, all Hell broke loose.  The correct numbers were bad for the office.  But everyone agreed that I was right, without any doubt.

And she kept her job, doing things wrong.  And she still thought she was right because her method was "easier". 

That's what DAMNED STUPID is. 
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