Wall of emergency

[Baruch]

The declaration will stand no matter what, because the president has veto power and we do not have 2/3 in each Chamber of Congress to overturn veto.

The question with respect to Senate vote:
How worried are GOP Senators about their re-election prospects in 2020, and what role will that play in their decision whether to vote yay or nay on the bill?

Nature of the beast.  !/3 senate every 2 years, whole house every 2 years.  What I see says the British system is better.  Both parties need to virtue signal their character ;-(  So vote they will, and fail they must, but when it is important, not on a regular vote, but a voice vote ... so voters can't tell.

[Baruch]

The real questions are: how much in bribes did GOP senators take, and/or how were there family members threatened?

All pols are all threatened and bribed by the CIA.  The CIA has been running things since shortly after WW II.  State within a state.  Voters are such maroons.  Started with J Edgar Hoover's little black book way back before WW II.

[Shiranu]

remember how I said you need to look beyond your back garden because you don't seem to view the world outside of how it works in america, I didn't literally believe you think everyone lives there.

Pr's statement was about Americans who hate Trump more than they love their country, to which I sarcastically parroted what he said, but this time to attack the opposite of that; Americans who seem to love Trump more than they love their country.

No where in that does it imply that I think he is American... particularly given neither pr fits into the latter category nor myself into the former.

Given he wasn't referring to me, there is no logical reason to assume I was referring to him.

[Shiranu]

Bigot?

Don't forget xenophobe, islamophobe, racist, far right, fascist, white supremacist.
Literally.

Alas, not a Trump supporter, not being an American.

MAGA!

By declaring a national crisis to fund the wall, the Executive branch is authorized to reallocate funding from other emergency programs towards the new emergency. There is no new budget passed to expand spending limits but rather just moving money from one program to another.

One program that is likely to take a hit is the Puerto Rico and Houston relief funds, both of which (but particularly PR) already are severely inadequate for the scope of the disaster (Puerto Rico was amongst the highest death tolls by natural disaster in American history). This is unarguably a more important program than his wall.

Another source of revenue will be drug forfeiture and seizure profits and programs, which could be up to $3.1 billion dollars in funding. This is something California is currently planning to sue the federal government over because this funding goes towards, again, actual emergency relief funds for a state that has been wracked by massive wildfires and flooding... and when you are one of the few states that contribute more in taxes than you pay, this is a particularly hard slap in the face to have your expected funding go towards a program you disagree with. Likewise California already has a large part of it's border fenced off and the wall is currently focused mostly in my home state of Texas, so it doesn't even benefit them if they agree with it.

Finally it is taking an estimated $3.6 billion in money allocated for military infrastructure spending to go towards a wall that is almost unanimously agreed upon to be a poor solution to the problem. This is money that goes towards improving water distribution services, upgrades to our electrical power grids and expansions of military bases, including several overseas in high value locations like Myanmar.

People don't have a problem with the wall because it's Trump, people have a problem with the wall because it is wildly expensive for something so wildly ineffective, and he declared a state of emergency to defund other (actual) emergency programs to get it done. On top of that he himself admits it's not an emergency, and the day after declaring it went to his golf course... hardly the behaviour of a president desperate to take care of an emergency.

What, exactly, is your rebuttal to the fact that this is literally taking money from all underfunded emergency programs that are desperately needed to spend on a border wall that will be neither effective (given the majority of drugs come into the country through designated checkpoints rather than where the walls will be blocking off) nor an actual emergency (as stated by Trump himself)?

[Baruch]

Yawn ... how many of these did Obama declare?  How many are still in place?  You only like Executive over-reach when done by a D party member.

[pr126]

People with a nervous disposition should not watch this video.
Parental Guidance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNRGW1VtPJE

[Shiranu]

People with a nervous disposition should not watch this video.
Parental Guidance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNRGW1VtPJE

At least 533,000 people, or over half of the Puerto Rican applicants, were denied relief money from FEMA to repair or rebuild homes following Hurricane Maria, and yet large sections of the island are still uninhabited, deemed "sub-par living conditions" by health officials or lacking access to electricity and fresh water.

In terms of national emergencies on the mainland, the opioid crisis is out of control; over 130 people die every day to opioid related medical complications, with many of those being from prescription drugs legally prescribed in excessively large amounts by licensed doctors. According to the CDCP, that comes out to an estimated $78.5 billion dollars lost due to cost of treatment, loss of productivity, addiction treatment and criminal cases involving opioid cases.

Likewise Americans are literally dying left and right because they cannot afford the skyrocketing prices of prescription drugs or medical treatment, and countless more have to suffer either crippling pain or crippling debt because our healthcare system simply cannot be accessed by the majority of Americans. In student debt, it has reached $1.6 trillion dollars, with the average 22 year old having a net worth of  -$39,000. Again, that is a average net worth, going into the beginning of adulthood, of negative$39,000.

Neither of these are worth being "national emergencies" to the Trump campaign, and the first is worth actually taking money away from to fund a wall that is neither effective or necessary.

What is your rebuttal to the fact that there are extremely more pressing national emergencies that the Trump campaign either ignores or outright profits from and exacerbates, yet is willing to spend billions of dollars on a program that experts agree will not solve any problems, or at least not do anywhere near a good "cost-to-result" ratio?

[Baruch]

Yep, Puerto Rico relief was a fail ;-(  I know someone from there who went back there to do medical work for upper class vacationers. before the hurricane.

Tell us about the Haiti relief efforts, and the Clinton fail?  Did that pay for part of Chelsea's damn wedding?

The opioid crisis is CIA.  CIA controls the drug trade, for money laundering.  We were told this in the 1970s.  And the Clintons were involved, in Arkansas, with this in the 80s.  We went into Afghanistan to restart the heroin trade.

Agenda 21 ... more people need to die.  Especially White males.  Non-White females are easier to manipulate.

There are many issues, some more important than others.  I don't think the US will survive all this disunity.  This is Rome, 350 CE.  Choose your barbarian horde carefully.

[Draconic Aiur]

People with a nervous disposition should not watch this video.
Parental Guidance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNRGW1VtPJE

[Baruch]

Beta male behavior ... INCELS uselessly virtue signaling to lesbians.

[Draconic Aiur]

Beta male behavior ... INCELS uselessly virtue signaling to lesbians.

stfu

[Cavebear]

He would be brilliant if he wasn't so stupid.  He simplifies too much.

[Baruch]

He would be brilliant if he wasn't so stupid.  He simplifies too much.

Apparently not simplified enough for you ;-))

[Unbeliever]

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.

[Baruch]

Einstein failed to wear socks, and shaved with water, not shaving cream.  Case closed.