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Offline Baruch

Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3045 on: March 21, 2019, 07:19:53 PM »
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True.  And lately, rarely does he give us his actual feelings or thoughts.  He likes to be what he considers clever.  I think he has been blinded by his personal hatred--much like a spurned lover, he now hates what used to be his great love--democrats, Hillary, Obama and it even seems to have spilled over into a hatred of humanity in general.  Instead of spreading joy and appreciation for anything, he spreads hate, dread and a general put-down of life in general.

We live in a septic tank.  I don't see any reason to be cheerful, watching the biggest chunks in society floating to the top ... not that I hate chunks ... they don't have volition.  I may not be inter-sectionalized ... but I am inter-crapified.

Yes, if Hillary and Obama (I voted for him remember, but stay with me) weren't human, it would be easier to hate them.  They are human, so bad humans are a good reason to hate humanity (at least part of the time).  I didn't vote for Trump, and still wouldn't.  I don't hate Obama, I just don't messiah him.  I do hate Hillary (when running for office).  To even put those two in the same category, is racist (sarc).  I will not be voting ever, for the offspring of the Marquis De Sade.

Sometimes I give my actual feelings and thoughts, but I don't clearly mark them.  I sometimes mark jokes and sarcasm, but not always.  Given my life experience (which includes empathy for people worse off than I am ... I did used to be a Democrat) I see no reason to be up-lifting.  I would have to take illegal drugs to do that ;-)  I do care for human beings, one at a time.  Collectively we are nasty.  See that reaction to the Catholic MAGA boy ...

BTW - MikeCL ... did you bother with the 3.5 hours of Ehrman?  Right up your ally (and mine).  When I find something interesting, I share.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3046 on: March 21, 2019, 07:21:23 PM »
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Baruch loves to do the either/or argument.  In his black and white world, he sees no grey...

This is fight club.  Put down that cheese-in-a-can you fairy.
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Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3047 on: March 21, 2019, 07:28:15 PM »
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If the game IRL were saved in 60s
lets start all over there as a flower child.
did you save there? ahahhah

I didn't roll my character until the dusk of the 80's. The 90's were a weird time for IRL.
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Online Munch

Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3048 on: March 22, 2019, 11:00:03 AM »
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This.. game. I don't think I've in all the years I've been playing games (since the 80s) seen something that disgusted me so much in this genre.

This thing is the combination of everything shallow and vapid greedy executives want to use to make money from a product, without putting anything of substance in it, and the saddest thing, its worked.
When I hear how my 6 and 9 year old nephews are allowed to play it, I lose all humanly faith in my brother for letting them.

I believe even if a game is designed by a company today is made with things like microtransactions as part of it, that you can still find something memorable in the storytelling and world building. Asura's Wrath was one that demanded you to pay out to unlock most of its content, but despite that the story and narrative was amazing.

This however, its so blatantly cash grab, so shallow in its execution, and is marketed to children who are drawn in by the shallow aspects of it without any depth, which makes kids want their parents to buy buy buy more points in it to buy more costumes and shit, money that could go to better things like going to the cinema to watch a movie or any other game with a meaningful story.

Even when I was a kid, things like saturday morning cartoons were made with much of an expectation to market it to sell toys, things like transformers and thundercats. But in there, they contained stories and characters you could get invested in.

Fortnite is born from the shallow and empty extension of corporate greed and low expectations pushed into the undeveloped minds of children. I think this is cancerous to them, instead of giving them something of substance, its just feeding their lizard brains the same way kids want to eat sweets all day every day. 
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Offline Mr.Obvious

Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3049 on: March 23, 2019, 06:24:09 PM »
I'd forgotton THE fun that MTg arena could be.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3050 on: March 24, 2019, 11:05:47 PM »
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This.. game. I don't think I've in all the years I've been playing games (since the 80s) seen something that disgusted me so much in this genre.

This thing is the combination of everything shallow and vapid greedy executives want to use to make money from a product, without putting anything of substance in it, and the saddest thing, its worked.
When I hear how my 6 and 9 year old nephews are allowed to play it, I lose all humanly faith in my brother for letting them.

I believe even if a game is designed by a company today is made with things like microtransactions as part of it, that you can still find something memorable in the storytelling and world building. Asura's Wrath was one that demanded you to pay out to unlock most of its content, but despite that the story and narrative was amazing.

This however, its so blatantly cash grab, so shallow in its execution, and is marketed to children who are drawn in by the shallow aspects of it without any depth, which makes kids want their parents to buy buy buy more points in it to buy more costumes and shit, money that could go to better things like going to the cinema to watch a movie or any other game with a meaningful story.

Even when I was a kid, things like saturday morning cartoons were made with much of an expectation to market it to sell toys, things like transformers and thundercats. But in there, they contained stories and characters you could get invested in.

Fortnite is born from the shallow and empty extension of corporate greed and low expectations pushed into the undeveloped minds of children. I think this is cancerous to them, instead of giving them something of substance, its just feeding their lizard brains the same way kids want to eat sweets all day every day.

Well, hopefully, the players will see that there is no benefit to living life like that game. 
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Online Hydra009

Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3051 on: March 25, 2019, 12:22:17 PM »
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Summary of video criticisms:

1) Fortnite is stuffed to the gills with microtransactions for cosmetic skins and other virtual items
2) Fortnite has no story
3) Fortnite is marked to kids

All three are correct and there are plenty of other guilty parties.

1) Any EA game is stuffed to the gills with microtransactions.  Hell, look at Fallout 76.  You have some paint jobs that run you like $20 as well as virtual items that give a gameplay advantage.  Other games also have lockboxes, which are essentially a legal form of gambling.  Fortnite is bad, but it's definitely not even close to the worst offender.
2) Online shooters like Counter Strike, Call of Duty, Battlefield, and Team Fortress also have little to no story.  That's also the norm for fighting and racing games. 
3) Guilty without a doubt and yeah, that chicken man skin is stupid and cheesy, but I dunno kids really eat up stupid and cheesy stuff.

I mean, I love Rocket League and it's not all that different from Fortnite's model - free to play with paid skins and no story, just different gameplay modes that you play either with bots or with other human players, and aggressive marketing to certain demographics.

I don't see a logically consistent argument for concluding that one is morally wrong and the other is not.  Perhaps popularity really is the deciding factor here.

Online Hydra009

Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3052 on: March 25, 2019, 12:45:17 PM »
Also, I want to be super clear on what "scamming" is, because the above video tosses it around all over the place when it really shouldn't be.

When you go on, I dunno, Amazon and buy a Pokemon t-shirt and receive the Pokemon t-shirt that you ordered, that is not scam.
If you get a rock instead and neither the seller nor Amazon will refund you, that is a scam.

Very, very important distinction here.  Just because you pay for something you didn't like or later think was overpriced, that doesn't make it a scam.  It makes it a very unwise purchase.  And yes, the very low age of the buyer definitely makes this an unsavory business practice, but it's not fraud.

Online Munch

Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3053 on: March 25, 2019, 08:49:24 PM »
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Also, I want to be super clear on what "scamming" is, because the above video tosses it around all over the place when it really shouldn't be.

When you go on, I dunno, Amazon and buy a Pokemon t-shirt and receive the Pokemon t-shirt that you ordered, that is not scam.
If you get a rock instead and neither the seller nor Amazon will refund you, that is a scam.

Very, very important distinction here.  Just because you pay for something you didn't like or later think was overpriced, that doesn't make it a scam.  It makes it a very unwise purchase.  And yes, the very low age of the buyer definitely makes this an unsavory business practice, but it's not fraud.

perhaps he does overuse it, but its more just highlighting a problem in children and these kind of features. When I was a kid, getting a game meant you'd have everything you'd need, just the game, you plug it in and play it. Today, more so when just needing a subscription to games, the devs want to milk as much from people as they can, and when the product they are advertising to children being a game that does milk you for all its worth, this results in thousends to maybe millions of kids across the globe whining to their parents to buy them skins for this game.
And the returns in this, is just shallow junk food for the brain. They aren't getting anything more out of it between a coke or sugar fix for 10 minutes before needing it again.
And on top of that, its a game that demands constant attention, they can't just pause and put it down, they have to stay fixated on it.

so putting all that together, unless the parents are highly strong willed in disciplining their kids to not play this kind of thing for very long, your have kids developing addiction early on.

And I don't want to sound like a prude saying this, I'm an uncle and this kind of shit concerns me about seeing my nephews wanting to play this crap. I'm just thankful their parents only let them play on a heavily monitored play of it, while making sure they get off and do other stuff in their day.

Re: Any gamers around here?
« Reply #3054 on: March 25, 2019, 09:24:13 PM »
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Summary of video criticisms:

1) Fortnite is stuffed to the gills with microtransactions for cosmetic skins and other virtual items
2) Fortnite has no story
3) Fortnite is marked to kids

All three are correct and there are plenty of other guilty parties.

1) Any EA game is stuffed to the gills with microtransactions.  Hell, look at Fallout 76.  You have some paint jobs that run you like $20 as well as virtual items that give a gameplay advantage.  Other games also have lockboxes, which are essentially a legal form of gambling.  Fortnite is bad, but it's definitely not even close to the worst offender.
2) Online shooters like Counter Strike, Call of Duty, Battlefield, and Team Fortress also have little to no story.  That's also the norm for fighting and racing games. 
3) Guilty without a doubt and yeah, that chicken man skin is stupid and cheesy, but I dunno kids really eat up stupid and cheesy stuff.

I mean, I love Rocket League and it's not all that different from Fortnite's model - free to play with paid skins and no story, just different gameplay modes that you play either with bots or with other human players, and aggressive marketing to certain demographics.

I don't see a logically consistent argument for concluding that one is morally wrong and the other is not.  Perhaps popularity really is the deciding factor here.

Fortnite actually does have a story, as I understand it. It's just that no one really cared about the story. Most players never touched the story, but would rather play the multiplayer, so it didn't have as much priority with the developers as they original planned to give it. As for the microtransactions, I'd gladly accept cosmetic items for sale in a free-to-play game, which grant no advantages in gameplay. That way, people who just want to give it a shot can play it for free, while more devoted players can opt for optional stuff. I prefer that over a developer charging full price for the game, then charging extra for those items. EA can go fuck off with that shit.
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Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
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