Author Topic: When did fascism start in the US?  (Read 497 times)

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When did fascism start in the US?
« on: January 30, 2019, 12:55:24 PM »
"Rutherford Birchard Hayes, 19th President of the United States wrote:

The real difficulty is with the vast wealth and power in the hands of the few and the unscrupulous who represent or control capital. Hundreds of laws of Congress and the state legislatures are in the interest of these men and against the interests of workingmen. These need to be exposed and repealed. All laws on corporations, on taxation, on trusts, wills, descent, and the like, need examination and extensive change. This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations. -- How is this? - Diary (11 March 1888)"

And this was a Republican corruption.  Of course back then the Democrats were setting up Jim Crow ;-(
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2019, 01:14:28 PM »
the ultra-rich familiea who possess much of the wealth of the world, bring their prosperity from the past. Nothing has changed so far since 1881.

now that money is not a problem. the nobles have begun seeking new pursues. supervising the humans' destiny. as you say Baruch, they think they know better what is better for the common population.

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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2019, 08:02:40 PM »
"Those who the gods would destroy, they first make mad" ... this is always true of those who practice the seven cardinal sins.  Particularly pride=hubris.

Hitler - I can't lose.

Tojo - I can't lose.

Stalin - I can't lose.

Mussolini - I can't lose.

FDR & Churchill ... we can lose, and will, unless we are very careful.
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2019, 10:32:17 PM »
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As a matter of personal conviction, and without pretending to discuss the details or formulate the system, I feel that we shall ultimately have to consider the adoption of some such scheme as that of a progressive tax on all fortunes, beyond a certain amount, either given in life or devised or bequeathed upon death to any individual – a tax so framed as to put it out of the power of the owner of one of these enormous fortunes to hand on more than a certain amount to any one individual; the tax of course, to be imposed by the national and not the state government. Such taxation should, of course, be aimed merely at the inheritance or transmission in their entirety of those fortunes swollen beyond all healthy limits.
– Theodore Roosevelt   1906
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2019, 04:57:36 PM »
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the ultra-rich familiea who possess much of the wealth of the world, bring their prosperity from the past. Nothing has changed so far since 1881.

now that money is not a problem. the nobles have begun seeking new pursues. supervising the humans' destiny. as you say Baruch, they think they know better what is better for the common population.

I should have asked before, but why "1881"?  Other than Garfield's assassination, I can't think of anything notable.
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2019, 06:25:04 PM »
Middle of the Gilded Age?  Basically 1872-1892.  Both ends were "silver crises".  This was the period of increasing "British" gold standard hegemony.  And that was broke by 1912, 20 years later.  Gold standards are usually deflationary.  Which can be quite as much hard to live in as inflationary periods.  War is inflationary.  The British Empire, and the other gold based currency countries, were in economic stagnation at the end of the 19th century (gold supply restraining financial and population growth), having peaked out from prior industrialization and colonialism.  The only way to keep it up was cannibalizing other European powers.  Hence Lebensraum for Austria in the Balkans, and Germany in Russia.  Those E Europeans were considered the same as Blacks and Native Americans in the 19th century by the US.  France and Britain wanted to prevent further growth by the Austrian and German Empires.

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The British Empire at that time, used the Pound, which like today's Euro, was a tool of merchantilist unfair advantage to benefit them at the expense of the colonies and their trading partners.  Exactly like Germany today in the EU/Euro.  The unfair advantage of the Pound, wasn't defeated until after WW II, because of capitulation to the US over getting access to the Marshall Plan.  The US saved Britain, but at the cost of what was left of their Empire (also France as in Vietnam).

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With LBJ we get both war and peace at the same time.
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2019, 07:07:44 PM »
Value of the British Pound in 1912 was $5 per Pound.  And the inflation over the next 100 years is great ... so

1913 - 2013 an item originally costing $5 now would cost $117.66.  And today the value of the Pound to the dollar isn't $5 per Pound, but $1.32 ... so worse than it seems at first.

That is the extent to which the disassembly of the British Empire and the Pound-cartel amounted to.
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2019, 05:11:50 PM »
Crooked international banking ... to keep the UK going, and the US provides similar services for non-Americans ...

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Think of Rothschilds and Medici.

BCCI is mentioned from back in 1980, that was a secret Vatican bank and CIA/Bush family bank.
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2019, 12:23:39 AM »
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Crooked international banking ... to keep the UK going, and the US provides similar services for non-Americans ...



Think of Rothschilds and Medici.

BCCI is mentioned from back in 1980, that was a secret Vatican bank and CIA/Bush family bank.

I hope you do realize that none of your posts mentioned anything specific to "1881".  So why did you choose that specific date to mention?  Was it just a another rectal extraction?
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2019, 05:10:30 AM »
Every year in the UK/US is Crime Year.
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2019, 05:28:44 PM »
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Every year in the UK/US is Crime Year.

On the list of murders per capita by nation, the US is 94th and the UK 185th...  Just so you don't shoot yourself in the foot next time...
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2019, 06:30:42 PM »
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On the list of murders per capita by nation, the US is 94th and the UK 185th...  Just so you don't shoot yourself in the foot next time...

Yes, Brits are better on average than Americans.  I won't deny that ;-)  They sent their bad seed here long ago.
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2019, 11:39:27 AM »
We started down the road when the British sailed away.

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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2019, 02:49:42 PM »
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We started down the road when the British sailed away.

We can't even do English properly, now.
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Re: When did fascism start in the US?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2019, 07:47:24 AM »
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We can't even do English properly, now.

Indeed, thee be a improper heathen and lacking morals.... 
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