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Online Munch

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2019, 10:19:52 AM »
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Do you not understand the things you write? Holy shit.

holy shit you only have a single bias political view of the world that finds conflict with anything outside of it. holy shit.

Offline Mermaid

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2019, 10:29:31 AM »
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holy shit you only have a single bias political view of the world that finds conflict with anything outside of it. holy shit.
Are you a troll or do you really believe the things you write? Why would you assume I have a biased view and you don't? Are you somehow more evolved than I am? Do you know a single thing about me and how I think and function?

In a single post, you asserted that a whole cultural issue is fake and manufactured, and then in the SAME BREATH you admonished someone for not seeing things past the end of their own nose.
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Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2019, 11:13:17 AM »
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holy shit you only have a single bias political view of the world that finds conflict with anything outside of it. holy shit.
Munch, have you lived in American society over here?  I don't think you have, but I'm not sure.  I am making my observations based upon my life in this society.  I have lived in 4 states, one of them being Alabama, which was most instructive for this West Coast kid.  I learned racism there--I became awakened to it.  It is a very christian state and learned the role of females within southern society.  Hawaii also taught me a bit about racism.  As a student and later as a teacher, I learned first hand about being bullied and bullies in general.  I worked with them for 40 yrs as a teacher and my daughter informed me in even more detail, as well.  She became a teacher, then went back to school and became a vice-principal dealing directly with bullies in several different school, went to school again and became a teacher of teachers.  I tried to raise my daughter to be independent and to think for herself.  I made sure she realized what the ads and programs on TV were telling her--be submissive, skinny and to defer to the males in her life.  I tried to instill in her the idea that she could do what she wanted--she would have to work for it and she would have to be aware of how many, many males regraded her in the work force and in private life. 

Munch, you too, should be aware of bullies and the damage they do.  And you should also be aware of the role religion plays in keeping males in charge of the 'important' stuff.  But in many ways, Europe is way ahead of us in incorporating more fully into society.  Homophobia in this country is kept alive and well in this country mainly through  religion; I don't know the status of what it is like being homosexual in Europe.  So is racism and keeping females as the subservient class.  Progress has been made, but not nearly enough.
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Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
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Offline pr126

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2019, 11:49:16 AM »
Lucky for America to have so many religious homophobes.
Here in Europe, we have to import them by the millions just to catch up.

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Offline Baruch

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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2019, 01:03:38 PM »
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But if only toxic men have beards.. what about all the hippies who grew their beards? They must be toxic then.

True-hippie-dome has never been tried, any more than true-socialism ;-)
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Offline Baruch

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2019, 01:07:19 PM »
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I forgot that old spice advert. So they've gone from having a shirtless guy saying 'anything is possible when your man smells like old spice and not a lady' to 'toxic masculinity is everywhere, train your man to be obedient'

He is clearly Black-Putin ... so part of the Russian plot to pollute our manly juices (Dr Strangelove).

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Offline Baruch

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2019, 01:08:48 PM »
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Munch, have you lived in American society over here?  I don't think you have, but I'm not sure.  I am making my observations based upon my life in this society.  I have lived in 4 states, one of them being Alabama, which was most instructive for this West Coast kid.  I learned racism there--I became awakened to it.  It is a very christian state and learned the role of females within southern society.  Hawaii also taught me a bit about racism.  As a student and later as a teacher, I learned first hand about being bullied and bullies in general.  I worked with them for 40 yrs as a teacher and my daughter informed me in even more detail, as well.  She became a teacher, then went back to school and became a vice-principal dealing directly with bullies in several different school, went to school again and became a teacher of teachers.  I tried to raise my daughter to be independent and to think for herself.  I made sure she realized what the ads and programs on TV were telling her--be submissive, skinny and to defer to the males in her life.  I tried to instill in her the idea that she could do what she wanted--she would have to work for it and she would have to be aware of how many, many males regraded her in the work force and in private life. 

Munch, you too, should be aware of bullies and the damage they do.  And you should also be aware of the role religion plays in keeping males in charge of the 'important' stuff.  But in many ways, Europe is way ahead of us in incorporating more fully into society.  Homophobia in this country is kept alive and well in this country mainly through  religion; I don't know the status of what it is like being homosexual in Europe.  So is racism and keeping females as the subservient class.  Progress has been made, but not nearly enough.

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Offline pr126

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2019, 01:59:54 PM »
Meet the "woke" feminist BEHIND that Gillette ad

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Offline Shiranu

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2019, 05:03:25 PM »
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The problem comes from the fact that making a broadcasted statement like this, is sending a message out that masculinity itself is bad, its toxic, its something that needs to be controlled. And sending that out to young and impressionable people can have negative effects on their identity.

Let me try this again...

What, specifically, in this ad makes you believe that this is an attack on all men or on masculinity?

Bullying is not a masculine trait. Sexual harassment is not a masculine trait. Workplace discrimination is not a masculine trait. These are the things the commercial attacked. These are all traits of cowards and idiots.

Standing up against bullying is a masculine (and feminine) trait. Calling people out who commit sexual harassment is a masculine (and feminine) trait. Not tolerating workplace discrimination is a masculine (and feminine) trait. These are the things the commercial praises. These are having agency over your actions and standing up to what is wrong when you see it, which is masculine or feminine as fuck.

The only way I can fathom viewing this commercial as an attack on masculinity is if you believe that bullying, sexually harassing others, or discriminating at the workplace are inherently masculine traits. That, or you believe that an attack on any man, even if what he is doing is wrong, is suddenly an attack on all men.


If you are concerned about your nephews being exposed to the idea that bullying is bad, sexual harassment is wrong, or that discriminating in the workplace is fucked up... then I don't really know what to say other than I hope to god they spend as little time around you as possible. If it's just because any attack on a man is an attack on all men then my god, grow a backbone. 
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 05:38:12 PM by Shiranu »
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Offline PickelledEggs

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2019, 05:38:27 PM »
I honestly don't even see this as pro-women and anti-men.
I barely even see this as pro-women.
This is all pro-men.

Men face a shit ton of pressures in life and Gillette is acknowledging that in this ad. That is extremely important for men's rights. This is not a pro women ad or even an anti-men ad. This is 100% a pro-male ad

Offline PickelledEggs

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2019, 05:42:30 PM »
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Are you a troll or do you really believe the things you write? Why would you assume I have a biased view and you don't? Are you somehow more evolved than I am? Do you know a single thing about me and how I think and function?

In a single post, you asserted that a whole cultural issue is fake and manufactured, and then in the SAME BREATH you admonished someone for not seeing things past the end of their own nose.
He's been moving closer and closer to becoming an irrational conservative troll for a while to even be at the point at assuming I am an extreme left idiot, when I'm blatantly not. In fact he was surprised with the fact that he was in agreement with me on a certain topic, when I have been very vocal about that topic for ages and haven't changed my stance for the entirety of me having thoughts on it. (different thread and not going to bring it up in here)

Munch has been blindly defending pr for so long that it's almost like he's..... becoming him.... *shudders*

Offline PickelledEggs

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2019, 05:44:25 PM »
The fact that people like pr and Munch are so fucking frail at the sight of something like THIS AD.... it makes me wonder if that "masculinity so fragile" isn't just an idiotic meme after all.

Offline PickelledEggs

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2019, 05:52:34 PM »
It should be noted that I hate that "masculinity so fragile" saying with a flaming passion because it's fucking nonsensical. Which is why it's so stupid that people like Munch and pr are so fucking dumb with shit like this, irrationally thinking this stuff is attacking them...

manly soap and shampoo and things that are shaped like baseball bats and racecars isn't fragile masculinity, but holy hell crying over something like this like pr and Munch are?

That is fragile masculinity. I never thought I would un-ironically say that phrase, but here I am. and I hate it.

Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2019, 06:12:00 PM »
I think many people are constantly on the look-out for shit to get pissed off about. Only when they're pissed off can they be truly happy.
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Re: More toxic masculinity condemned by the APA and Gillette razors ...
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2019, 06:29:17 PM »
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Put on your damn Yankee uniform and go kill some Johnny Rebs ... yeahaw!
Wrong uni.  When I dress up in my Yankees uni, I go looking for Boston Red Sox scalps.
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Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
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