Author Topic: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification  (Read 886 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2019, 12:13:54 PM »
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If you mean sports games, no.  I would rather be involved in something than watch. You might be careful about calling atheism a "minority" position.

See You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login  We are 3rd. "and growing...."

I suspect that there will come a day when the last theist dies and no one will notice any more than when the last SERIOUS flat-earther died (can you tell me that person's name?). 

It won't happen in my lifetime (though it would be nice), but it will happen some day.  I mostly just mean, that "someday" no one will care about theisms anymore.

If it won't happen in your lifetime, why are you trying to be a Biblical prophet anyway?
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Offline Cavebear

Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2019, 12:24:27 PM »
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If it won't happen in your lifetime, why are you trying to be a Biblical prophet anyway?

Well. mostly because I'm not trying to be a biblical prophet.  But I'm concerned for the future.  Which, apparently, is not high on the Conservative list...
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Offline Baruch

Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2019, 12:27:48 PM »
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Well. mostly because I'm not trying to be a biblical prophet.  But I'm concerned for the future.  Which, apparently, is not high on the Conservative list...

Here and now is all I pragmatically care about.  I have already done what I can for the future (handicapped daughter, 50% influence) ... and hopefully been a positive influence on other young people (probably less than 1% influence at best on them).
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Offline Cavebear

Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2019, 12:32:21 PM »
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Here and now is all I pragmatically care about.  I have already done what I can for the future (handicapped daughter, 50% influence) ... and hopefully been a positive influence on other young people (probably less than 1% influence at best on them).

I respect your life and efforts...  You have mentioned family before and I never negate that.  Best serious wishes. 
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Offline Baruch

Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2019, 01:59:01 PM »
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I respect your life and efforts...  You have mentioned family before and I never negate that.  Best serious wishes.

I with the same for everyone, just as you said.  But I don't wish good for political parties or policies (which are non-human, are things).  I don't care if people find that, politically incorrect.
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Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2019, 04:11:16 PM »
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Point accepted.  I was considering the area of origin.

I agree that Muslims will not share power or culture easily, and that is a problem.  All theists are intolerant of other theisms.  Do keep in mind that I personally have no greater love for Islamists than I do of Christians or Jews, or Hindus, etc.  Meaning 0.

There are a lot more militant multiculturalists than militant atheists. I don't think this tack will win. In fact most of the people who are inviting these people in and making apologies for them are the very people who one might call atheists.
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Offline Baruch

Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2019, 09:05:36 PM »
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There are a lot more militant multiculturalists than militant atheists. I don't think this tack will win. In fact most of the people who are inviting these people in and making apologies for them are the very people who one might call atheists.

it's complicated.  Just as inviting all the Latin Americans into the US would be.  Yes, I think that multiculturalists aren't strong atheist necessarily, they are Sunday-only religious types (liberal religious).  A strongly ethnic or strongly orthodox position, can't tolerate multiculturalism, it requires bantu-stans.  Of course easy=to=get=along people, might be easier to dominate.  Too much liberalism makes you a victim, just as too much conservatism makes you a perpetrator.

In the case of Europe, the current atheism is the rump of the old pro-Soviet W Europe.  The W European communists (now conveniently called socialist) always had a hard time keeping up with changes in the Kremlin (see Nazi-Soviet pact).  The point of atheism in communist countries, isn't religious, it is political.  The Party can tolerate no competition (and still doesn't in China).

One of the changes that occurred slowly, was the move from nationalist communism (Bolsheviks aka Stalin) to internationalist communism (Mensheviks aka Trotsky).  Trotsky-ites had no problem flying under the radar, anywhere in W Europe or N America ... since they were clearly ant-Soviet.  And they were relatively democratic compared to their more orthodox counterparts in China or Cuba.
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