Author Topic: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.  (Read 1415 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2019, 08:34:42 PM »
I can feel the love radiating like Chernobyl ;-0
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2019, 05:18:35 AM »
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I served twenty years in the USN, starting in 1969. I was dangerous. Patriotism was just love of country to me.

I honor your service to country.  But I did not for the same reason.  I was one of the people putting flowers into the guns of the national guard aiming their rifles at us for declaring the Vietnam War "stupid". 

Guess who was right about that war?
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Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2019, 05:41:00 AM »
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I honor your service to country.  But I did not for the same reason.  I was one of the people putting flowers into the guns of the national guard aiming their rifles at us for declaring the Vietnam War "stupid". 

Guess who was right about that war?
Were you really right or just on the side that claimed it was right?
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2019, 06:06:49 AM »
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Were you really right or just on the side that claimed it was right?

I objected to the Vietnam War because I concluded we weren't trying to win, but rather were trying "not to lose".  You don't win a war by trying "not to lose". 

I decided not to become "cannon-fodder".  And ever since then, I have not supported any war we did not actively try to "win".  And that includes all of the current ones.

If it helps any, I think we should have bombed every N Vietnam city into oblivion until they surrendered or couldn't fight any further.

But at the same time, I note that Ho Chi Min asked us for help to become a capitalist nation free from the French colonial empire post WWII.  We chose the French, who have basically kicked us in the face ever since.

SOME DAY, we might stop being stupid like that. 

And we are doing it again with the Kurds...

This stupidity wouldn't happen if you all would just elect ME Benevolent Dictator for Life...
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Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2019, 06:27:52 AM »
I spent 2 years, three months, and 13 days in S.E.A. We were effective when the politicians let us be effective.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2019, 07:34:41 AM »
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I spent 2 years, three months, and 13 days in S.E.A. We were effective when the politicians let us be effective.

Too bad they didn't let us nuke Hanoi.  That would have won the war for sure?

Any war is a bad war.  Vietnam was uniquely bad (unless you count our present wars in the Middle East).  Now if Vietnam was our main oil suppliers ... then it might have been necessary.

LBJ was uniquely evil on many levels.  Yes, if you want to blame a civilian for Vietnam, he is to blame.  But that is why we put a civilian in charge of DoD.  If the voters put an incompetent in the WH (cough, cough), then guess who is to blame for that?

Sec Def Mattis was let go early and is unhappy.  So were most of the generals Lincoln had to fire.  Lincoln wasn't a military genius either.
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Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2019, 11:08:54 AM »
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What the fuck is 'pure individualism'? Is it something like 'life energy'? LOL

Carlin is talking about something entirely different. He is not saying fuck team work or fuck civilisation.   
It's nonsense. Just like basically every other fucking post he makes. Made up gibberish that only he understands so he can pretend he's smarter than everyone else.

Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2019, 12:50:49 PM »
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It's nonsense. Just like basically every other fucking post he makes. Made up gibberish that only he understands so he can pretend he's smarter than everyone else.

I am what I am, but not Popeye.  I am not smarter than anyone else.  Sometimes I am not dumber than others.

And I explained why both ends of that spectrum are useful straw men..  But if you never ever read my posts, then you will never figure that out.

Drunkenshoe is a Euro-socialist, Turkish-delight version.  They are pure communism, the Borg.
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Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2019, 01:26:04 PM »
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This stupidity wouldn't happen if you all would just elect ME Benevolent Dictator for Life...
Hey, you've got my vote!
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Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2019, 06:40:53 PM »
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Hey, you've got my vote!

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Offline Cavebear

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2019, 03:14:05 AM »
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Hey, you've got my vote!

That's One!  Now please, everyone jump on the bandwagon. 

I propose the following 10 Point Program:

1.  Expanded immigration of educated people from all over the world (and make them welcome here).
2.  Technology-oriented border control (with consideration to asylum-seekers).
3.  Govt supported college education in STEM degrees (like the GI Bill of the 50s).
4.  Increased taxation to businesses (they gain from public taxation for roads and railways, etc).
5.  Infrastructure repair and improvement (which also puts people to employment).
6.  Reduced taxation on business involved in basic discovery and research.
7.  Tariffs on all foreign companies that do not abide by international patent laws.
8.  Financial penalties to all nations that support hackers.
9.  Renew all treaties with friendly nations. (we have to repair the Trump damage to international relations).
10.  Seek and expand renewable resources.

Who is with me on this?  Vote for Cavebear!
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Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2019, 05:17:36 AM »
And yes, given that your list is very Centrist (not D, not R) .... I would vote for you.
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Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2019, 02:44:43 PM »
We'll still need a Space Force to beat back the Cylons when they show up...
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2019, 02:47:43 PM »
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We'll still nee a Space Force to beat back the Cylons when they show up...

Right, we are the goal planet.  I almost forgot that.  Granted, I only watched the Battlestar: Ponderosa version, LOL!
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Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2019, 02:50:27 PM »
Actually, I heard Neil DeGrasse Tyson say that a space force was a really good idea. I think he was talking to Colbert.
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