Author Topic: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.  (Read 1044 times)

Offline aitm

Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« on: December 29, 2018, 04:10:17 PM »
This may, perhaps, generate a good deal of angst or anger, but frankly I am growing tired of the new faux patriotism that is blaring from the  walls and sky and "anyonewhodoesnotbowtoitmustbeaantipariotic" bullshit.

By this, the misconceived thought that any of the middle east "adventures" we have embarked on in the last 20 years had a fucking thing to do with protecting "our" freedoms.

I find it a sickening platitude of bullshit whose purpose is only to help those who have lost or those who have served to justify the actions of the elite to use "us" as their cannon fodder. All salute the fallen or wounded who have served us gallantly to help the rich get richer and the poor get fucked more and more, but god damn it lets all throw rocks at anyone who refuses to blindly bow and splay themselves before the mighty altar of bullshit.

To those of you who have served or to those of you who have lost someone, you, by your presence here, have already shown an understanding and intellect that stands steadily above those who wave flags to justify their willingness to allow their sons and daughter to go off and die to make rich people richer, but make up for that knowledge by becoming the "American Patriot". You know who they are. Were it not for their child joining the service they would stand and scream against the machine.....but their child is part of the machine and now, so to must be they.....or you.

And to stand and say, "but the emperor has no clothes" is to risk the avalanche of rocks and arrows and bullets from those who have knowing bought the bullshit and lost their child and have no other recourse now but to make others understand how noble a lost it MUST be, to justify to those who have lost that it was indeed justified because to acknowledge it was NOT just is to acknowledge you fucked up again only this time with the very life of your precious.

I fully understand the rational...or rather lack of..really I do. And I would never toss this into the fire pit except for this place where I can. But god-damn it can we please stop with the self sacrificing posturing from those who have never done it?

And from those who understand the whole of it. Why cannot you admit it to those of us who refuse to admit the shame of the whole fuck of it? Once again, we got fucked by the rich and once again the rich say.."oh look at those patriots who protect "our " freedoms " so I can get richer and those poorer wave the flags and supply the fodder and the majority who perhaps know but refuse to say anything to save those who have lost from the reality that they lost for not a fucking thing.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2018, 04:50:06 PM »
War is a scam -

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Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2018, 04:52:02 PM »
I think the American military is mostly used to keep the oil flowing from the Middle East, though the oil companies don't pay for it. Our "freedom" means little or nothing in that mix.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2018, 04:57:01 PM »
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I think the American military is mostly used to keep the oil flowing from the Middle East, though the oil companies don't pay for it. Our "freedom" means little or nothing in that mix.

Yes.  Voters are expendable, particularly EU citizens.  That is why they are being replaced in mass.  The control of energy, including oil, figures in every strategic calculation, both for war and peace.  Otherwise, you could say that Rommel was wrong to try to get to Cairo, and Paulus was wrong to try to shut down the Lend Lease traffic going thru Stalingrad (and oil from Baku).
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Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2018, 04:59:56 PM »
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War is a scam -

It's Big Business.  And isn't all Big Business a scam?  Corporation Merkia controls the wars.
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Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Cavebear

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2018, 05:00:55 PM »
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I think the American military is mostly used to keep the oil flowing from the Middle East, though the oil companies don't pay for it. Our "freedom" means little or nothing in that mix.

We don't need Middle Eastern oil these days...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2018, 05:01:38 PM »
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It's Big Business.  And isn't all Big Business a scam?  Corporation Merkia controls the wars.

I would hope so.  That way at least war is profitable ;-))  Socialists lose money even on sure bets.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2018, 06:12:37 AM »
This 'awareness' does not hold any merit any more. The adventures of the last 20 years is the result of the adventures before. And none of them has anything to do with your 'freedom'. The funny things is just a four-five yers ago, you guys couldn't handle the idea of talking about this subject in the forum. 

But then you haven't been fucked. The millions of people that have died an the more millions forced to move around in the last ME invasions are the ones that fucked, their countries do not exist any more. Why? So American people could continue driving big cars. But the consequences turned out to be different, eh?   
 
Ahahaah this also reminds me the reactions I got here in this forum, when I posted about 'American soldier = mercenary' subject and others. The conversations I had. What was her name, TomFloorey? And Stromboli? Do you remember the stupid, red neck brothers (active duty soldiers) coming from a fellow board? Sabrina got mad at me -she left just after- just because I replied to 'God bless men and women who protect our freedom abroad' bullshit with something like 'Their job is invading around for any kind of profit'. I exempt a couple names of course. 

Remember those 'discussions'? While I was trying to reflect how in general the world see this from an ordinary person's vision, I was defined as 'anti-american woman who looked down on the stupid Americans she sees from her high horse'. LOL Those weeere the daaaays of our liiiiiiives. mmmm.

You people are still living on the moon. :)



Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2018, 06:47:02 AM »
Lots of hyperfocus goin' on.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline SGOS

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2018, 07:55:22 AM »
I was taught patriotism in elementary school 65 years ago.  My indoctrination in patriotism was stronger than my indoctrination into religion, although part of this was because I realized that there was an actual country to worship, but no proof there was a god that needed to be worshiped.  I was told my leaders were smart, and they cared about me.  I pledged my allegiance to the flag and my country every morning in school, although I didn't understand why I was doing it.  I was simply taught to do it, which probably instilled my patriotism more than if someone tried to explain it. 

I was coming of age during Vietnam.  I think I had reached a period in my physical development where my brain was developing the ability to reason, rather than just react.  As a result, I started questioning things that didn't make complete sense.  I questioned my leaders, my parents, and even my friends, and I realized there was a lot of fake facts blowing all over the place, probably as much as there is today.  I realized I did owe my country gratitude for some things, but there was also a whole lot my country did that was unfair and much that was outright heinous.  I don't see why I should pledge my obedience to such an entity.  I was born here.  I had no control over that.  Being born in a place doesn't mean I have to love the place unconditionally.

We learn a lot of stupid shit during our formative years, and it doesn't all go away when we turn 18.  Patriotism is indoctrinated adults acting like Cub Scouts and Brownie Girls.  It's actually dangerous.  It turns morally capable individuals into a mob.

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2018, 08:15:31 AM »
I served twenty years in the USN, starting in 1969. I was dangerous. Patriotism was just love of country to me.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2018, 11:26:09 AM »
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This 'awareness' does not hold any merit any more. The adventures of the last 20 years is the result of the adventures before. And none of them has anything to do with your 'freedom'. The funny things is just a four-five yers ago, you guys couldn't handle the idea of talking about this subject in the forum. 

But then you haven't been fucked. The millions of people that have died an the more millions forced to move around in the last ME invasions are the ones that fucked, their countries do not exist any more. Why? So American people could continue driving big cars. But the consequences turned out to be different, eh?   
 
Ahahaah this also reminds me the reactions I got here in this forum, when I posted about 'American soldier = mercenary' subject and others. The conversations I had. What was her name, TomFloorey? And Stromboli? Do you remember the stupid, red neck brothers (active duty soldiers) coming from a fellow board? Sabrina got mad at me -she left just after- just because I replied to 'God bless men and women who protect our freedom abroad' bullshit with something like 'Their job is invading around for any kind of profit'. I exempt a couple names of course. 

Remember those 'discussions'? While I was trying to reflect how in general the world see this from an ordinary person's vision, I was defined as 'anti-american woman who looked down on the stupid Americans she sees from her high horse'. LOL Those weeere the daaaays of our liiiiiiives. mmmm.

You people are still living on the moon. :)

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Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2018, 11:29:37 AM »
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I was taught patriotism in elementary school 65 years ago.  My indoctrination in patriotism was stronger than my indoctrination into religion, although part of this was because I realized that there was an actual country to worship, but no proof there was a god that needed to be worshiped.  I was told my leaders were smart, and they cared about me.  I pledged my allegiance to the flag and my country every morning in school, although I didn't understand why I was doing it.  I was simply taught to do it, which probably instilled my patriotism more than if someone tried to explain it. 

I was coming of age during Vietnam.  I think I had reached a period in my physical development where my brain was developing the ability to reason, rather than just react.  As a result, I started questioning things that didn't make complete sense.  I questioned my leaders, my parents, and even my friends, and I realized there was a lot of fake facts blowing all over the place, probably as much as there is today.  I realized I did owe my country gratitude for some things, but there was also a whole lot my country did that was unfair and much that was outright heinous.  I don't see why I should pledge my obedience to such an entity.  I was born here.  I had no control over that.  Being born in a place doesn't mean I have to love the place unconditionally.

We learn a lot of stupid shit during our formative years, and it doesn't all go away when we turn 18.  Patriotism is indoctrinated adults acting like Cub Scouts and Brownie Girls.  It's actually dangerous.  It turns morally capable individuals into a mob.

A mob is what a nation is.  So be a successful mob or an unsuccessful one, your choice.  Yes, the President isn't perfect, unlike Jesus Christ ;-) ... so follow no one and no thing, because ... they are imperfect.  Isn't that circular reasoning on your part?  If you aren't perfect, and you only follow perfection (or a cult of personality like Gandhi), then how do you follow your own leadership?  Well at least if in spite of inconsistency, you do follow your own lead, then you at least know your Fuhrer (leader) intimately.

Oh, and I don't believe people here are skeptical.  Partisan yes, skeptical no.  Otherwise it wouldn't be mostly Democrats and very few anarchists.
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Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2018, 09:32:52 AM »
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Offline Baruch

Re: Yes we got fucked again being the good Patriot.
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2018, 09:36:56 AM »
I like George Carlin and I like freaks.  But you can't build a company, a government or a country ... on freakishness.
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