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Offline aitm

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2019, 09:09:27 PM »
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Yes, there are fantastic philosophical and moral atheist philosophies...
I am unfamiliar with any fantastic philosophies.....ours are simply more grounded in common sense and actual facts. But perhaps there is something I am unfamiliar with. Just want to clarify..for me anyway.....that I don't think "atheism" has any philosophy that is fantastic.

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but how many atheists actually spend time learning them vs spending time obsessing over science, politics and other things beyond their control that, while good to know, have little to no practical effect on their life?

I am not arguing or even objecting to this, this statement to you and the others probably makes perfect sense, but I can't seem to understand what you are saying here.
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Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2019, 10:06:14 PM »
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I never understood the atheist obsession with throwing the baby out with the bathwater, nor the same for theists.

Religion gets plenty of things right... and perhaps gets those things more right than "atheism" does. Yes, there are fantastic philosophical and moral atheist philosophies... but how many atheists actually spend time learning them vs spending time obsessing over science, politics and other things beyond their control that, while good to know, have little to no practical effect on their life?
What religion gets right pales when compared with the destruction it causes.  That is too high a price for society to pay.  I would think that human secularist organizations would be better than any theist group. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Online Shiranu

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2019, 10:19:29 PM »
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I am unfamiliar with any fantastic philosophies...

Stoicism, Absurdism, Charvaka, Hedonism, Sensualism... to name a few.


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I am not arguing or even objecting to this, this statement to you and the others probably makes perfect sense, but I can't seem to understand what you are saying here.

Atheists do not seem to spend much time on the social sciences as they do the physical sciences, and in truth seem to almost look at it with disdain.
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Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2019, 11:06:27 PM »
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I never understood the atheist obsession with throwing the baby out with the bathwater, nor the same for theists.

Religion gets plenty of things right... and perhaps gets those things more right than "atheism" does. Yes, there are fantastic philosophical and moral atheist philosophies... but how many atheists actually spend time learning them vs spending time obsessing over science, politics and other things beyond their control that, while good to know, have little to no practical effect on their life?

How many Christians study or obsess over anything, rather than letting their pastors tell them what to think? Not very many.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Offline Baruch

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2019, 02:34:58 AM »
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How many Christians study or obsess over anything, rather than letting their pastors tell them what to think? Not very many.

Being obsessive is a mental illness, no matter what your persuasion.  Idea fixe.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2019, 02:35:33 AM »
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What religion gets right pales when compared with the destruction it causes.  That is too high a price for society to pay.  I would think that human secularist organizations would be better than any theist group.

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Yeah, but atheists aren't the joining kind, unless it is the Communist party.
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Offline Plu

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2019, 06:49:55 AM »
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I never understood the atheist obsession with throwing the baby out with the bathwater, nor the same for theists.

Religion gets plenty of things right... and perhaps gets those things more right than "atheism" does. Yes, there are fantastic philosophical and moral atheist philosophies... but how many atheists actually spend time learning them vs spending time obsessing over science, politics and other things beyond their control that, while good to know, have little to no practical effect on their life?

The things that religion gets right are generally easily stolen and integrated into a non-religious life. Most have been, to the point of people completely missing that is happening, and then claiming that it's not a good idea stolen from religion, but just "common sense", which is precisely the point. The good ideas of religion are just things that are common sense, and the rest of it is mostly bad ideas.

But asking an atheist to explain the way they set up their life through the lens of atheism is missing the point. Atheism is an irrelevant issue and utterly meaningless in the absence of oppressive religion (or, rarely, oppressive government), and people who happen to be atheist will just fill their lives according to culture, philosophy, history the same way the rest of world does. There's a reason no two religious people can agree on what their religion says. It's because they're just trying to reconcile what they truly feel with what their religion claims they should feel, and the former always takes precedence.
Atheists generally don't bother trying because they know it's nonsense, and to religious people that sounds very strange, apparently.
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Offline aitm

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2019, 08:39:48 AM »
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Stoicism, Absurdism, Charvaka, Hedonism, Sensualism... to name a few.


oh. I would never have considered any of them fantastic. maybe quirky. Ha, but that's me. I don't adopt any "atheist" philosophies or any other for that matter. I would tend more to Sartre on his existence preceeds essence thought but as science is learning we may have pre-set determinations to a degree pushing us into behaviors that we think we choose when it may be that our genetic predisposition is simply responding to.  I don't find porn to be the stimulation most others do, there is only one video in my life that I have watched more than a dozen times and that is of a women masturbating....for some reason that just twists my "genes"....get it?
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Offline Baruch

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2019, 09:13:28 AM »
Aitm --- oooh, French edginess ;-)

Plu --- Marx borrowed from Hegel, Rousseau and Voltaire.  Hegel's philosophy was a secularized Christian theology (aka Scholasticism).  Rousseau and Voltaire were anti-Catholic.  Hegel being German, was anti-Luthers/anti-Catholic.  It is very hard for any Japanese to escape the historical influence of Japanese cultural norms.  The same applies to Westerners vs their cultural heritage.  This is why, if one is triggered by negative reaction to one's home culture, it is like chasing your own tail.
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Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2019, 09:45:35 AM »
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Yeah, but atheists aren't the joining kind, unless it is the Communist party.
Yeah--but that's my point.  The Communist Party is where it's at.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 11:31:30 AM »
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Yeah--but that's my point.  The Communist Party is where it's at.

Unfortunately, because communism is anti-humanist.  Some religious are also anti-humanist.  See ... if you hate yourself, if you hate your parents/ancestors, if you hate your neighbors/co-workers, if you hate men, if you hate women, if you hate children ... or just humanity in general ... you must become a genocidal dictator like Hitler or Stalin.  The goal isn't socialism (socialists want to be powerful and virtue signal, not help the poor), it is to use socialism as a tool for sadism.

For example, iconoclast Jews, Muslims or Byzantines ... are anti-culture, anti-human.  Culture is what we do, including politics and religion.  People who simply want to be left alone, are proto-Unabombers.
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Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2019, 02:03:38 PM »
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Unfortunately, because communism is anti-humanist.  Some religious are also anti-humanist.  See ... if you hate yourself, if you hate your parents/ancestors, if you hate your neighbors/co-workers, if you hate men, if you hate women, if you hate children ... or just humanity in general ... you must become a genocidal dictator like Hitler or Stalin. 
Ahhh---I see.  you aspire to become Hitler/Stalin.  Thank you for clearing that up.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2019, 02:27:03 PM »
We are all baby Hitler/Stalin ... right/left hemispheres in skull.

Whether or not I have S&M tendencies is not for here ;-)
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Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2019, 03:38:02 PM »
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Stoicism, Absurdism, Charvaka, Hedonism, Sensualism... to name a few.


Atheists do not seem to spend much time on the social sciences as they do the physical sciences, and in truth seem to almost look at it with disdain.

Physical sciences are high science that is around our current level of exploration.  Social sciences are weak because the information giving out is not as solid or high leveled as physical science. However it is still science even though physical "Uber Nerd" scientists act very snobbish.

I'm a historian and it is a profession seen as a social science or mainly liberal art because assholes think history can't be scientific as we document and research the fuck out of everything.

Re: Fuck All Religions!
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2019, 05:46:41 PM »
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Physical sciences are high science that is around our current level of exploration.  Social sciences are weak because the information giving out is not as solid or high leveled as physical science. However it is still science even though physical "Uber Nerd" scientists act very snobbish.

I'm a historian and it is a profession seen as a social science or mainly liberal art because assholes think history can't be scientific as we document and research the fuck out of everything.

I wasn't aware that people considered your field a social science. Psychology is often called a "soft science," because it mainly deals with correlation rather than causation. It does irritate the hell out of me, though, that people tend to dismiss it and just believe whatever they want to believe about the mind and human behavior. Then again, it's become a trend to replace genuine medicine with "alternative medicine," so it's not just social sciences people are dismissing.
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"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

 

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