An atheist rediscovers Christianity

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Simon Moon

Quote from: Baruch on June 06, 2019, 12:06:55 PM
Human values ...

I can steal whatever I want

I can rape whomever I want

I can murder whomever I want

Politics and religion will provide rationalizations for the above ape behavior.

BTW - you were quoting Jewish values.  Here is the most important one ... the only good Gentile is a dead Gentile ;-)

Rubbish.

Those aren't human values. If they were, we would never have survived as a species.

Hell, even Bonobo chimps get punished and ejected from their group, if they act like you describe.

Altruism, kin selection, reciprocity, are the human values that helped us survive as a species.

After all, we are a social species.
And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence - Russell

Baruch

Not just a social species, but a communist one ;-)

Mo Tzu, an ancient Chinese philosopher, spoke like you.  We call them optimists today.  That people are born good.

https://www.iep.utm.edu/mozi/

Shi Huang Di, the first Emperor, would violently disagree.  His state, Chin (from which China) was legalist, punishing people severely…

Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on July 02, 2019, 10:13:36 PM
Not just a social species, but a communist one ;-)

Mo Tzu, an ancient Chinese philosopher, spoke like you.  We call them optimists today.  That people are born good.

https://www.iep.utm.edu/mozi/

Shi Huang Di, the first Emperor, would violently disagree.  His state, Chin (from which China) was legalist, punishing people severely…

Sorry...

"Qián (simplified Chinese: é'±; traditional Chinese: 錢), spelled Chin based on its pronunciation in Cantonese (Jyutping: Cin4; Cantonese Yale: Chìhn; IPA: /tÍ¡sÊ°iːn²¹/). Written with a character meaning "money", according to tradition this originated as an occupational surname during the Western Zhou dynasty"
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Baruch

Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Blackleaf

One of my favorite YouTubers, DarkMatter2525, made a response to this. A couple of responses, actually. One's his original 1.5 hour video, responding to each point, and the other is his more condensed version of that.

Condensed version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oa0He8-w9E

Full version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIPo4DdA2sE

To paraphrase, it seems like Dave really hates capitalism and just doesn't know it yet.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Baruch

In early modern times ... we had Judeo-Christian Greco-Roman culture.  Over the last 300 years, we have successively removed each of these, one step at a time.  This is the Left nihilist self destruction cumulative (in W European milieu).

Starting with the Enlightenment 200+ years ago (that produced the US) which promoted secular/materialism values primariy.  Then Jewish people moving to socialist atheism 100+ years ago (that produced modern Israel).  Then the gradual abandonment of Christianity in Europe, starting with the Soviet Union, and then the collapse of confidence after WW I (which produced modern Europe).

There aren't much support for Greco-Roman paganism ... yet.  The secular/materialist/atheist faction in ancient Greece/Rome was a small part of what was their Greco-Roman culture.
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Hijiri Byakuren

If anyone is thinking of going to that comment section to argue with him, don't. Nothing is more impenetrable than a convert's enthusiasm. You'd be wasting your time.
Speak when you have something to say, not when you have to say something.

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Unbeliever

Maybe we should go back to worshipping Mithra...
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Baruch

#83
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
Maybe we should go back to worshipping Mithra...

You would have to be a Roman army officer.  Today this mystery religion with ranks ... is called Freemasonry.  As I have hinted before, I have no problem with traditional polytheism.  I see monism-dualism as a theological gambit.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

#84
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 26, 2019, 01:57:44 PM
If anyone is thinking of going to that comment section to argue with him, don't. Nothing is more impenetrable than a convert's enthusiasm. You'd be wasting your time.

My impression is that Mr Cullen is an ethno-Christian (a ginger).  He isn't ready for Celtic paganism yet.  And probably more tribal than nationalist.  So y'all lose woke-points there.  Tribal culture is not capitalist of course, even Rousseau knew that.

Nationalists like tribals, distrust large powerful tyrannical institutions.  I see no problem with that distrust.  People who don't see a problem are either gullible or working for the tyranny.
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Gregory

Another C. S. Lewis who believes his own logic.

Baruch

Quote from: Gregory on March 05, 2020, 09:33:57 PM
Another C. S. Lewis who believes his own logic.

I see you tried the Turkish Delight offered by the Snow Queen ...
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Gregory


Baruch

Quote from: Gregory on March 16, 2020, 04:53:05 AM
Religion poisons the individual.

Too much water = drowning ... religion is like ... that.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.