So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm

Started by Minimalist, December 13, 2018, 07:21:51 PM

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drunkenshoe

Quote from: Baruch on September 05, 2019, 03:06:35 PM
You deny context.  Are you content to discuss Boris' disappointment at his brother and other minutae?

Yes, because the can't be done brexit has a context based on a coup made by a seveteenth century politician, russia and middle east -though because you are talking to me, changes according to the person- and invasion of somewhere, the communist (!) EU and events and empires in history scattered around from few thousand years back, right?

How do you know Boris was disappointed by his brother? Does he look like he is batting for a kind of politics interested in details? 

QuoteWill Turkey send another million "refugees" to Berlin by then?

Not following the local news. Is he threatening again? 

QuoteIt is a long way to the Queen's speech, will there even be a London in mid-October?

They'll pack up the necessary bits and send it to Wisconsin with the royal family. The palace would look particularly beautiful next to Noah's Park. 


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Baruch

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 06, 2019, 12:45:36 AM
Tune in tomorrow
Same bat-time.
Same bat-channel.

Same bat-shit stuff Baruch says.

I wonder now the no-no-deal-brexit bill is through, wouldn't it be ironic if the EU failed to grand another extension?
Because let's be fair, no major changes to the deal will follow in October.

Infinite machinations in the House of Lords.  The Tories were going to filibuster the bill from the House of Commons.  And then at midnight Wednesday, they dropped that strategy.  Meanwhile the Tories in the House of Lords, are all miffed, that any Tory, even one who betrays the PM, should ever be dismissed.

I listen to what Brits are saying.  Do you?  The Belgians, since the days of Victoria's Belgian uncle have tried to manipulate Britain.  Will the current manipulation continue?

And yes, Europe could refuse an extension.  But as Farage says, the EU will sell their mothers to a whore house, to keep the 1 billion pounds coming each month.

If the EU drops the ball, then a new election will happen, and the Remainers will lose power.  And then the no-no-deal bill will be cancelled.

Because of Merkel and Erdogan, the refugee problem will yet be the death of Europe.  So many ISIS fighters in Pakistan and Sub-Saharan Africa (sarc).

Boris' brother?  If I were him, I would ask the Queen to send him to the Tower ... for some reeducation.
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Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Baruch on September 06, 2019, 03:21:17 AM
I listen to what Brits are saying.  Do you?  The Belgians, since the days of Victoria's Belgian uncle have tried to manipulate Britain.  Will the current manipulation continue?

And yes, Europe could refuse an extension.  But as Farage says, the EU will sell their mothers to a whore house, to keep the 1 billion pounds coming each month.

I listen to the Britains. And I do so without seeing shadow-plots all over the place. Not without seeing possible hidden motivation. But in the here and now. I think I look a lot less into the past, than you do. I don't ignore it, but I don't think one-century old monarchs continue to spread their influence from beyond the grave.
And no, I don't think the EU is going to refuse and extension. But it would be ironic, wouldn't it?
But I think more than for any money the UK owes, the EU will grant the extension rather because the alternative is directly devastating and will plummet the euro.
Goods, medicin etc. won't be able to be sold or bought. Delays causing inflation. ... Horrible stuff really.
I live in the port-city of antwerp. My dad works for the company, the port of antwerp, as international development manager. He told me it would be catastrophic. On both ends sea-faring companies are ill-prepared and lacking the necessary documents to trade with their close neighbours across the channel, if one country were to stop being a EU-country.
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drunkenshoe

You live in Antwerp. Brilliant. It would be an amazing trip to start from North of Netherlands and go down to south into your country by visiting every art museum on the way. :) Preferably, not in deep in winter though.

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Baruch

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 06, 2019, 07:10:11 AM
I listen to the Britains. And I do so without seeing shadow-plots all over the place. Not without seeing possible hidden motivation. But in the here and now. I think I look a lot less into the past, than you do. I don't ignore it, but I don't think one-century old monarchs continue to spread their influence from beyond the grave.
And no, I don't think the EU is going to refuse and extension. But it would be ironic, wouldn't it?
But I think more than for any money the UK owes, the EU will grant the extension rather because the alternative is directly devastating and will plummet the euro.
Goods, medicin etc. won't be able to be sold or bought. Delays causing inflation. ... Horrible stuff really.
I live in the port-city of antwerp. My dad works for the company, the port of antwerp, as international development manager. He told me it would be catastrophic. On both ends sea-faring companies are ill-prepared and lacking the necessary documents to trade with their close neighbours across the channel, if one country were to stop being a EU-country.

In GB - BBC is gospel?
In US - CNN is gospel?

... but your father may be on to something ;-(  Or it is propaganda.

You are a Labor-type supporter, or Green-type supporter?  In which case being Merkel's bitch is the only way to go.  A smooth exit of Greece or UK was possible, but the fear in Germany is if you let anyone out, then everyone leaves.  So Germany has to draw a line in the sand against any withdrawals.  Of course a UK withdrawal is a greater disruption compared to a Greek withdrawl.  The unequal economic relationship of Germany to the rest of W Europe (since 1871) has been the cause of all of your wars.  It allows German aggression and W European paranoia about the Germans.  Just saw a documentary on the horrible childhood of Kaiser Wilhelm II.  That pretty much put a torch to the petrol dump of 1914.  Yes, progressives pretend that the past is irrelevant.  Well the childhood of the Kaiser was very relevant to 1914.

I do hope that there is minimum disruption for both sides.  But the elephant in the room is that the EU/Germany are going into recession anyway (various reasons).  There is no scenario where there is a free lunch for everyone, or anyone, where standards of living only go up (socialist/capitalist paradise).  They tried to convince us here in the US that was the case, back in 2008 (capitalist paradise).  Today they are trying to convince younger people of a socialist paradise.  Demagoguery from Athens down till today.  You were warned 2400 years ago.
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Baruch

illiberal, undemocratic W European communism?  I think so.

Quisling House of Lords/House of Commons?  I think so.

Lord HawHaw lives!!  Here is the Remain/EU national anthem ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs
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Baruch

Now only the Daleks can empty the British swamp ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBCuxSskDI

Only gold Deleks may serve ... come to think of it, was PM May working for them?
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Cavebear

Quote from: trdsf on September 03, 2019, 07:11:31 PM
She really has no choice in the matter.  As a constitutional monarch, the Queen's assent to the government's request is assumed; it would have been an even wilder constitutional crisis if she'd said no.

This may be a good time for the Queen to act.  But I'm sure she will wait for a new election.  It would be risky.  Doesn't her Royal Budget depend on Parliament?
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on September 06, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
This may be a good time for the Queen to act.  But I'm sure she will wait for a new election.  It would be risky.  Doesn't her Royal Budget depend on Parliament?

The present monarchy was ... eunuch-ed over 100 years ago.  King Edward VII (1901-1910) was the last king who tried to do anything contrary to Parliament.  Basically the monarchy is a paid for rubber stamp.  It isn't like Saddam Hussein's Iraq.  King George II was the last king to go into combat.  A cannonball narrowly missed him. Parliament Act of 1911 decided that the House of Commons was the only authority.

The last President to go into combat while in office was James Madison.  Pretty much all military things are handled by professional officers now (See Westpoint and Sandhurst).  It can be catastrophic ... like when King Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden was killed on the battlefield during the Thirty Years War in Germany.

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Quote from: Baruch on September 06, 2019, 11:48:28 PM
The present monarchy was ... eunuch-ed over 100 years ago.  King Edward VII (1901-1910) was the last king who tried to do anything contrary to Parliament.  Basically the monarchy is a paid for rubber stamp.  It isn't like Saddam Hussein's Iraq.  King George II was the last king to go into combat.  A cannonball narrowly missed him. Parliament Act of 1911 decided that the House of Commons was the only authority.

The last President to go into combat while in office was James Madison.  Pretty much all military things are handled by professional officers now (See Westpoint and Sandringham).  It can be catastrophic ... like when King Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden was killed on the battlefield during the Thirty Years War in Germany.

"Lincoln had always been a hands-on commander-in-chief, even personally test-firing rifles on the grassy expanses around the White House. Still, Confederate sharpshooters probably could not have believed their eyes when during the first afternoon of the Battle of Fort Stevens a lanky, bearded man in a dark suit and stovepipe hat emerged on the fort’s earthen parapets. Discouraged by the elaborate defenses that had been erected and concerned about his tired soldiers wilting in the blistering heat, Early had held back on a major assault, but Confederate snipers trained to hit targets from distances of 800 yards or more were firing shots from perches in trees, cornfields and houses. One of those shots rang out and came close to striking the president, who was standing on the parapet surveying the enemy in the line of fire. As John Hay, Lincoln’s private secretary, noted in his diary that night, ”A soldier roughly ordered him to get down or he would have his head knocked off.” While James Madison was in the vicinity of a battle when the British arrived in the city a half-century before, Lincoln might have been the only sitting American president to come under enemy fire while in office."

I fart in the general direction of your inaccurcies...
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on September 07, 2019, 12:31:38 AM
"Lincoln had always been a hands-on commander-in-chief, even personally test-firing rifles on the grassy expanses around the White House. Still, Confederate sharpshooters probably could not have believed their eyes when during the first afternoon of the Battle of Fort Stevens a lanky, bearded man in a dark suit and stovepipe hat emerged on the fort’s earthen parapets. Discouraged by the elaborate defenses that had been erected and concerned about his tired soldiers wilting in the blistering heat, Early had held back on a major assault, but Confederate snipers trained to hit targets from distances of 800 yards or more were firing shots from perches in trees, cornfields and houses. One of those shots rang out and came close to striking the president, who was standing on the parapet surveying the enemy in the line of fire. As John Hay, Lincoln’s private secretary, noted in his diary that night, ”A soldier roughly ordered him to get down or he would have his head knocked off.” While James Madison was in the vicinity of a battle when the British arrived in the city a half-century before, Lincoln might have been the only sitting American president to come under enemy fire while in office."

I fart in the general direction of your inaccurcies...

In combat.  Not ordering things behind the lines.

Truman fired generals ;-) ... same as Lincoln.  People were outraged at Lincoln's country bumpkin interference at that time.  More recent Presidents appoint and fire generals.  But that isn't being in combat.  Did Westmoreland ever see combat in Vietnam .. while in air conditioned Saigon?
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on September 07, 2019, 12:37:13 AM
In combat.  Not ordering things behind the lines.

Truman fired generals ;-) ... same as Lincoln.  People were outraged at Lincoln's country bumpkin interference at that time.  More recent Presidents appoint and fire generals.  But that isn't being in combat.  Did Westmoreland ever see combat in Vietnam .. while in air conditioned Saigon?

You miss the point "as usual"*.  Lincoln was actually fired at.  The only US President to undergo that other than assassinations.

*I actually have that stored on Word just for you...
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on September 07, 2019, 12:54:44 AM
You miss the point "as usual"*.  Lincoln was actually fired at.  The only US President to undergo that other than assassinations.

*I actually have that stored on Word just for you...

Long shot from regular rebel lines.  More danger than what Hillary faced in Yugoslavia.  Tell the colonels who led from the front of their regiment, and had the highest casualty rate of any rank.
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Quote from: Baruch on September 07, 2019, 12:58:23 AM
Long shot from regular rebel lines.  More danger than what Hillary faced in Yugoslavia.  Tell the colonels who led from the front of their regiment, and had the highest casualty rate of any rank.

Did you miss the reference to "sharpshooters"?
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Baruch

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