So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm

Started by Minimalist, December 13, 2018, 07:21:51 PM

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Cavebear

Quote from: trdsf on September 03, 2019, 01:37:59 PM
BBC News probably has the most complete coverage.  Bracknell MP Dr Phillip Lee crossed the aisle to join the Lib Dems while Boris was lying ... sorry, speaking.

This doesn't bring his premiership ho an end, of course. He still (barely) commands a plurality, and Corbyn cannot control all 320 MPs on the opposition benches.  Best case scenario for him right now is around 300, and even without the DUP, the Conservatives have 309.  And I very much doubt that the estimated 15 Tory Brexit rebels are going to go so far as to back the formation of a Labour government, even as a caretaker.

So even without a majority, Boris remains PM.  How much the agenda stays under his control, that's the unknown right now.  But today so far can't be spun as anything less than a swift kick to his soft-and-dangly bits.

Well, it WOULD make sense the BBC is focussing on Brexit and "Boris the Trump"...

Actually. what doesn't surprise me is that the Queen went for his non-debate idea.  She's 93, 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2ldXa1ZGCE

Actual MSM in an actual country with an actual government ... unlike the US.

In the British system, an MP is part of a party, they represent the party, not the local constituency (unlike US).

His district ... was 60% leave ... he doesn't represent anyone other than LibDem.

BBC is like CNN in the US.  BBC = Guardian.  CNN = DNC.

The "frogmarch" mentioned was a parallel incident in #10 to what happened at about the same time at the WH.  A staffer was working for the opposition, and got immediate pink slip.

Cavebear ... if you start seeing Trump's face in everyone you see ... see a doctor.  Boris has no love for Trump.  Boris is a British socialist like FDR in the US.  But not like Bernie ... who is like Corbyn.
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Mr.Obvious

Quote from: trdsf on September 03, 2019, 01:37:59 PM
BBC News probably has the most complete coverage.  Bracknell MP Dr Phillip Lee crossed the aisle to join the Lib Dems while Boris was lying ... sorry, speaking.

This doesn't bring his premiership ho an end, of course. He still (barely) commands a plurality, and Corbyn cannot control all 320 MPs on the opposition benches.  Best case scenario for him right now is around 300, and even without the DUP, the Conservatives have 309.  And I very much doubt that the estimated 15 Tory Brexit rebels are going to go so far as to back the formation of a Labour government, even as a caretaker.

So even without a majority, Boris remains PM.  How much the agenda stays under his control, that's the unknown right now.  But today so far can't be spun as anything less than a swift kick to his soft-and-dangly bits.

No, I knew it wouldn't stop his premiership. But this is shaping up to be an interesting brexit week.
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Cavebear

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 03, 2019, 02:32:17 PM
No, I knew it wouldn't stop his premiership. But this is shaping up to be an interesting brexit week.

Can he act without parlimetary support or be stopped with the Queeen's support?  Quite a problem "over there".

And I do wish all my British friends good hopes in the coming awkward days. 
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Quote from: Mr.Obvious on September 03, 2019, 02:32:17 PM
No, I knew it wouldn't stop his premiership. But this is shaping up to be an interesting brexit week.

The British political system is so flexible, so meta ... not even the Brits know what is going on.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 02:38:33 PM
Can he act without parlimetary support or be stopped with the Queeen's support?  Quite a problem "over there".

And I do wish all my British friends good hopes in the coming awkward days.

So meta.  I don't know.  I suspect they are making it up as they go along.  Which is what I do too.
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trdsf

Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 01:52:41 PM
Well, it WOULD make sense the BBC is focussing on Brexit and "Boris the Trump"...

Actually. what doesn't surprise me is that the Queen went for his non-debate idea.  She's 93,
She really has no choice in the matter.  As a constitutional monarch, the Queen's assent to the government's request is assumed; it would have been an even wilder constitutional crisis if she'd said no.
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aitm

Boris has given Trump a idea.....hoo-boy....you know damn well he is already asking if he can "suspend" Congress and the House.
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He'd only want to suspend the House, I suspect, since Moscow's Bitch is ruling the Senate with an iron fist.
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Baruch

Quote from: aitm on September 03, 2019, 07:46:04 PM
Boris has given Trump a idea.....hoo-boy....you know damn well he is already asking if he can "suspend" Congress and the House.

I would suspend them by their thumbs.  And hire German dominatrices to entertain the God-Emperor and his involuntary guests ;-)  535 Shades of Grey.
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Baruch

Quote from: Unbeliever on September 03, 2019, 07:50:55 PM
He'd only want to suspend the House, I suspect, since Moscow's Bitch is ruling the Senate with an iron fist.

Is that you, Emperor Xi ... or the head of Iran?  It is so hard to tell the Communist puppets apart without a game time mag.
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Baruch

Remainer vote won by 27.  21 of those were Tories.  Rory Stewart, Philip Hammond etc all had the "Whip" removed.  Fired from Tories, can't run for office in the next General Election.  Maybe General Election on 10/15, right after prorogation finished.  !0/14 skipped because of Jewish holiday. Bercow's seat will now be contested, since he has twice violated non-partisan rule about Speaker of the House.  How soon will people get sent to the Tower?  The Empire can't return soon enough!

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Baruch

Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 04, 2019, 02:37:00 AM
I just want to shout 'ORDEEEERR! ORDEEEERR!'. LOL

Best thing Bercow did.  Maybe he can get a comedy job on BBC after he is fired ;-)
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trdsf

Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 02:38:33 PM
Can he act without parlimetary support or be stopped with the Queeen's support?  Quite a problem "over there".

And I do wish all my British friends good hopes in the coming awkward days.
I'm not sure how much he can do on his own executive authority.  The Queen simply can not get involved without a major constitutional crisis.

And he's also pretty much not just shot himself in the foot, but blown his leg off from the knee down.  He had been PM of a minority government that was only one seat short.  Now that he's thrown out the 21 Conservatives who voted against no deal, they have no reason to come back to the government side on any future votes on Brexit, although I doubt any of them will be crossing the aisle.  They'll sit as 'independent Conservatives' or some such until the next election, and probably support the government on most items other than Brexit.  And it looks really bad to be the guy who threw Winston Churchill's grandson out of the party.
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