So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm

Started by Minimalist, December 13, 2018, 07:21:51 PM

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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 10:02:00 PM
Spot-on!  The original vote was falsely-described.  And all the pain follows...

At the risk of seeming the usual "The US will solve everything", do you think that that a non-dysfunctional US President might have made, could make, a difference?

All political campaign promises are false.  Politics, starting in Athens, is a lie.  People participate because perversely we like being lied to.

There are no non-dysfunctional Americans, therefore no non-dysfunctional American Presidents ...

And you think that Witch Hazel (Hillary) wasn't senile etc?
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 10:06:36 PM
All political campaign promises are false.  Politics, starting in Athens, is a lie.  People participate because perversely we like being lied to.

There are no non-dysfunctional Americans, therefore no non-dysfunctional American Presidents ...

And you think that Witch Hazel (Hillary) wasn't senile etc?

Nice double-negatives...

Hillary Clinton had the misfortune and fortune to marry a brilliant person who became President.  Fortunate in that she gained expeience about government that she might not have gotten so quickly.  And, quite frankly, they were a good team.  Both were talented.

Unfortunate, in the sense of "wife of".  She is shadowed by Bill.  I think that is totally unfair.  She has great talents of her own.  For example, who do you think Putin would rather deal with, Trump or Hillary?

An aside:  I read recently that when the 32 Rhodes scholars (with Bill Clinton) were together on the plane to England at take-off, they they all expected they would be President some day.  When they landed, 31 of them knew they were wrong.
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Munch

Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 10:18:42 PM
Nice double-negatives...

Hillary Clinton had the misfortune and fortune to marry a brilliant person who became President.  Fortunate in that she gained expeience about government that she might not have gotten so quickly.  And, quite frankly, they were a good team.  Both were talented.

Unfortunate, in the sense of "wife of".  She is shadowed by Bill.  I think that is totally unfair.  She has great talents of her own.  For example, who do you think Putin would rather deal with, Trump or Hillary?

An aside:  I read recently that when the 32 Rhodes scholars (with Bill Clinton) were together on the plane to England at take-off, they they all expected they would be President some day.  When they landed, 31 of them knew they were wrong.

well, that was unsettling to read. i mean, you've lived though quite a few presidents, so you can't be lost on events that occurred around them, yet you want to ignore certain ones and their actions while demonizing others based on nothing more then the party they lead?

People saying trump is doing the same shit bill did in his time in office, just masked in a different way.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Cavebear

Quote from: Munch on May 26, 2019, 10:49:35 PM
well, that was unsettling to read. i mean, you've lived though quite a few presidents, so you can't be lost on events that occurred around them, yet you want to ignore certain ones and their actions while demonizing others based on nothing more then the party they lead?

People saying trump is doing the same shit bill did in his time in office, just masked in a different way.

Bill got caught getting oral sex from an adult woman not his wife.  End of problem...

Trump has spent his time trying to destroy the normal working of Government, lying about nearly everything, cheating about his finances, firing qualified people who would swear personal fealty to him, loves our autocratic enemies, refuses legal requests for information, etc, etc, etc. 

AND has done worse to women than Bill ever did.

There is no comparing the 2.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 11:02:57 PM
Bill got caught getting oral sex from an adult woman not his wife.  End of problem...

Trump has spent his time trying to destroy the normal working of Government, lying about nearly everything, cheating about his finances, firing qualified people who would swear personal fealty to him, loves our autocratic enemies, refuses legal requests for information, etc, etc, etc. 

AND has done worse to women than Bill ever did.

There is no comparing the 2.

No ... not end of problem.  Serial rapist going back to Little Rock.  And no, Trump is no gentleman.  Are you?
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Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on May 27, 2019, 12:13:57 AM
No ... not end of problem.  Serial rapist going back to Little Rock.  And no, Trump is no gentleman.  Are you?

Serial rapist going back to Little Rock  Evidence, please?

Trump is no gentleman    Correct, and more specifically, he is a serial groper and misogynist.  In addition, he is a liar, and a wannabe dictator.

Are you?  I am a gentleman.  Your insinuation is offensive.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on May 27, 2019, 02:52:38 AM
Serial rapist going back to Little Rock  Evidence, please?

Trump is no gentleman    Correct, and more specifically, he is a serial groper and misogynist.  In addition, he is a liar, and a wannabe dictator.

Are you?  I am a gentleman.  Your insinuation is offensive.

Bill Clinton was a philanderer his whole time as governor of Arkansas.  This is well known.  And today, even looking at a woman, is considered rape.

And no, I am not insinuating.  But I won't assume either.  You don't seem a satyr like JFK or Bill Clinton (male nymphomaniacs).
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trdsf

Quote from: Sal1981 on May 26, 2019, 05:59:09 PM
UKIP has basically been slaughtered at the EU elections, as results roll in, while the Brexit Party and Conservatives pretty much scooped up most of the votes.
UKIP voters moved to the Brexit party, who are the same thing.  The Tories got slaughtered, as did Labour (though not quite as badly).  The Lib Dems and Greens had a great night.  And pro-EU parties did better than The Brexit Party did, in terms of the vote.  The Brexit Party plus UKIP got 34.9% of the vote; the pro-EU parties (LD, SNP, Green, PD and Change) got 40.4%.  Labour and the Conservatives had no coherent message, and got murdered.  The Tories are now the #5 party in the UK delegation to the EU -- you can't say they scooped up anything.  More accurately, they got damn near wiped out, reduced from 19 seats to 4.  Labour went from 20 seats to 10â€"a bad night, but not as cataclysmic as the Conservatives.

Realistically, the Brexit Party went from 24 UKIP seats to 28 Brexit seats.  A good result, but not as amazing as is being portrayed.  Meanwhile, the LibDems went from one seat to 16.  That's nothing short of a fucking brilliant result.  Add to that the Greens move from three to seven.

Overall, the left-aligned parties have a plurality over the right: 365 to 351, to 35 unaffiliated/independent, the previous EU parliament having been 371 center-right through far-right to 358 center-left to far left, to 21 unaffiliated. Not really a mandate for anyone, just a mild shift to the left amid further polarization.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Sal1981

Quote from: trdsf on May 27, 2019, 06:16:10 AM
UKIP voters moved to the Brexit party, who are the same thing.  The Tories got slaughtered, as did Labour (though not quite as badly).  The Lib Dems and Greens had a great night.  And pro-EU parties did better than The Brexit Party did, in terms of the vote.  The Brexit Party plus UKIP got 34.9% of the vote; the pro-EU parties (LD, SNP, Green, PD and Change) got 40.4%.  Labour and the Conservatives had no coherent message, and got murdered.  The Tories are now the #5 party in the UK delegation to the EU -- you can't say they scooped up anything.  More accurately, they got damn near wiped out, reduced from 19 seats to 4.  Labour went from 20 seats to 10â€"a bad night, but not as cataclysmic as the Conservatives.

Realistically, the Brexit Party went from 24 UKIP seats to 28 Brexit seats.  A good result, but not as amazing as is being portrayed.  Meanwhile, the LibDems went from one seat to 16.  That's nothing short of a fucking brilliant result.  Add to that the Greens move from three to seven.

Overall, the left-aligned parties have a plurality over the right: 365 to 351, to 35 unaffiliated/independent, the previous EU parliament having been 371 center-right through far-right to 358 center-left to far left, to 21 unaffiliated. Not really a mandate for anyone, just a mild shift to the left amid further polarization.
Yeah, I meant Lib Dem, wrote Conservatives for some reason.

Baruch

How the EU sees the MEP election ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCBJ-MaUTC4

Except not CCCP (Russian letters) but EUSR (French letters).  Manifest Destiny is communism, comrades!
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trdsf

Quote from: Sal1981 on May 27, 2019, 11:21:19 AM
Yeah, I meant Lib Dem, wrote Conservatives for some reason.
I blame the former coalition.  :)

What the hell was Nick Clegg thinking?  Or more to the point, was Nick Clegg thinking?  If I had to posit a guess, it would be that he was so hot to get the LibDems in government, he didn't give a rat's ass about the compromiseshe'd have to make.  Bob knows at no point did he ever direct his party to stand up to Cameron and say 'no'.  Even the DUP was capable of doing that, and I'm no fan of them.  Clegg sold out his integrity and his party to get a seat at the table, and never once took advantage of the power he could have had over Cameron and his posh-boy clique.

They seem to have recovered a little under Cable... but he's leaving and I'm not sure who's waiting in the wings with comparable stature.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Minimalist

Quote from: Baruch on May 27, 2019, 11:29:15 AM
How the EU sees the MEP election ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCBJ-MaUTC4

Except not CCCP (Russian letters) but EUSR (French letters).  Manifest Destiny is communism, comrades!



It is a rousing tune.   I understand that Trump jerks off to it every night.

Of course I have just watched the first 4 episodes of Chernobyl which sort of puts the old USSR in a different light.  They sang better than they built nuclear reactors.
The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails.

-- H. L. Mencken

Munch



national identity is as important as social identity. Seems funny how to two seem to conflict these days.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Baruch

I have some hope, because I see the Tories and Laborites getting smashed.  I think that LibDem is an interesting play.  I think it is way early to think that Nigel Farage can turn his Brexit party into a General Election party.  Plaid Cymru has defeated Labor in Wales.  SDP is gaining in Scotland.  DUP is gaining in N Ireland.  How long until the Celtic tiger roars again?  I can see a coalition between the remaining Celtic territories (within EU presumably as a kind of cultural reservation}, selling trinkets to tourists … and casinos, those have been winners for the Native Americans too.
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Cavebear

Everytime I think that the US has gone the most totally nuts, Brexit is there to relieve my concerns.
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