So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm

Started by Minimalist, December 13, 2018, 07:21:51 PM

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Baruch

Quote from: Unbeliever on May 24, 2019, 01:15:34 PM
Baruch probably hopes it'll be Gary Johnson...

If only!  I only want my MP to be from New Mexico!

With Boris Johnson, every day is bad hair day!

Being a humanitarian, and not a conspiracy theorist ... I feel sorry for PM May.  She should have not tried to be a queen, GB already has one.  Working in advance with rift in Tory party and with Labor party, from the beginning, would have gotten a "deal' what Parliament would agree to.  Then the question would be, would the EU accept it or the people accept it?  Take all three.

Brexiteers would say, that the EU plan is the elimination of GB, of its sovereignty, its Parliament, its monarchy.  The wet dream of every Frenchman and German for the last 1000 years.  The EU army is the means, which will be implemented in just a few more years.  In spite of the promises that that was not part of the EU plan.  But the EU lied.

Boris Johnson "may" understand Churchill ... before the Brexit vote ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdbDOvmLDz0

And this is the compromise necessary to keep GB alive .. a war cabinet ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htHKbsUKDDw

Any nation that doesn't realize you have to fight to survive, then you won't.  Churchill failed many times before 1940 ... and Boris failed in 2016 after the Brexit vote.

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” “Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.” - Winston Churchill
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Unbeliever

#391

QuoteRachel Maddow looks at Russia's presence in European politics, stoking divisions and boosting right-wing populism in an effort to undermine the cohesiveness of the European Union.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RVJSNAYbSA


"The group founded by the ex-Nazis is called the Freedom Party."

Yeah, that sounds about right...
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Unbeliever

Since communists are supposed to be far-left, how is it that Russia is supporting so many far-right parties and candidates?
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Baruch

Quote from: Unbeliever on May 24, 2019, 03:54:47 PM
Since communists are supposed to be far-left, how is it that Russia is supporting so many far-right parties and candidates?

Not true communism ... same as not true socialism.  When the Left result isn't what you want, then they didn't do it right.

And yes, all elections worldwide are controlled by Boris and Natasha.  Rachel Maddow is Fearless Leader ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoeHDeQiMuE

It is hard to say what is best for Europe.  For some it is being merged into a mega-state ... like why does Rhode Island exist anyway?  Given even recent history, it is easy to see that Germanic hegemony won't go down well with Brits.  But Belgium might be quite happy, because they directly benefit in a way that Greece does not.
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Minimalist

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on May 24, 2019, 11:05:47 AM
I kind of feel bad for hoping it'll be him. But I hope it'll be him.


Um, we've tried electing stupid.  It hasn't worked out well.
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Baruch

Quote from: Minimalist on May 25, 2019, 01:08:19 AM

Um, we've tried electing stupid.  It hasn't worked out well.

Roger Scruton would be a good choice for GB.  He is smart, mature and isn't worthless SJW.
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Mr.Obvious

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Quote from: Minimalist on May 25, 2019, 01:08:19 AM

Um, we've tried electing stupid.  It hasn't worked out well.

Reasons why
1. It would be hilarious.
2. He helped get GB get into this mess. He should be held responsible for seeing it through.
3. When he lacks the ability to get a majority in the house of commons, what are the conspiracy theorist brexiteers going to say? That Boris Johnson is trying to sabotage brexit?  They'll be a step closer to facing reality.
4. I don't see Boris as capable of getting a good deal. But I don't see anyone getting gb a 'good deal'. I do see him willing to  refuse another extension. If that lead to a hard brexit, this surreal political daydream would finally be over.
5. If it did, at least the consequences of what follows could be pinned to those who made it happen. Good or bad. Though I think bad.
6. IT WOULD BE HILARIOUS
7. If his trying to shut it down by letting the clock run out and having it become a hard, crashing brexit lead to him being voted out with a vote of no confidence, that would be so beautiful. Lot's of 'ifs' I know, but still.
8. If he and trump ever met in one room and shook hands, I solemnly think it would herald the apocalypse. And at that point it's kind of what we deserve.
9. Did I mention it would be hilarious?
10. After all the shit GB has put the west through with it's self-contradicting cry for attention, I don't mind them suffering at the hands of someone like Boris Johnson for PM for a while. Call it schadenfreude if you will. You reap what you sow.

That said, there are plenty reasons why I'd rather not have him be PM.
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Baruch

I agree.  Germany etc can't allow a good deal.  Undermines their whole arrangement.  So no-deal is all that there can be, on 10/31.  Should have been on 3/29, but PM May was trying for what she and President Macron called a good deal, but Parliament wouldn't support it.  The EU is lacking in a military, for a few more years yet.  If this were 2022? then President Macron could have invaded Britain and put Parliament to the sword ;-)

Boris himself, I like him as a person, but GB is so divisive, I suspect they are ungovernable, for anyone, not just PM May.  A general election might not bring clarity for GB.  I see GB becoming much more like Italy, with many small parties and frequency changes in executive.  Is Berlusconi still available?

Guess Belgium has much love for Germany and none for GB.  They did recently debate, that GB had no need to enter WW I, which would imply that the Kaiser occupying Belgium was't a British issue ;-)  Just make Netherlands and N Belgium into part of the German Empire.  Give S Belgium back to France.  Anschluss.
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Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Baruch on May 25, 2019, 06:20:37 AM
I agree.  Germany etc can't allow a good deal.  Undermines their whole arrangement.  So no-deal is all that there can be, on 10/31.  Should have been on 3/29, but PM May was trying for what she and President Macron called a good deal, but Parliament wouldn't support it.  The EU is lacking in a military, for a few more years yet.  If this were 2022? then President Macron could have invaded Britain and put Parliament to the sword ;-)

Boris himself, I like him as a person, but GB is so divisive, I suspect they are ungovernable, for anyone, not just PM May.  A general election might not bring clarity for GB.  I see GB becoming much more like Italy, with many small parties and frequency changes in executive.  Is Berlusconi still available?

Guess Belgium has much love for Germany and none for GB.  They did recently debate, that GB had no need to enter WW I, which would imply that the Kaiser occupying Belgium was't a British issue ;-)  Just make Netherlands and N Belgium into part of the German Empire.  Give S Belgium back to France.  Anschluss.

You really are an odd duck.
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Baruch

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on May 25, 2019, 07:53:12 AM
You really are an odd duck.

Quack.  History has consequences, particularly if ignored.  If the Kaiser hadn't been cousin to the British king, I don't think that the family bad blood would have decided things, the way they did.  Germans of that generation really liked the British, were jealous of them (but not of France).  It was Russia that had French envy.
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Munch



even the mail, a staunch conservative paper can't resist roasting her.
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Munch

These are just hilarious, in a kind of monty python kinda way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Fv8yVxe5o
She really shouldn't be using the line of accusing a brit about internment camps..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BcdhTzDJic&t=1s
Can't even finish a debate with any grace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVCAF4fBLC8
I feel for this guy.

The part about them measuring candlewicks serves a fine example of the ball starting to roll. The points made to how similar the EU and the soviet state are by peoples own account, this really lends to the notion of those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

funny thing is I didn't vote in the original brexit vote, because I was still on the fence between stay or leave. The events of peoples vote really brought to life the real state of the EU to me in the last few years, and if they force a second vote, which I hope leads to rioting at the lack of democracy, if that happens I will vote to leave it.

Even my german boyfriend living here now agrees the UK should cut ties with the EU, hating what its doing to his own country.
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on May 22, 2019, 07:17:44 AM
Nice theory.  GB was cuck to Germany in 1939.  Churchill was the only alpha male in their whole country.  With him dead, GB has to surrender to Merkel even.  So GB won't moderate Germany, Germany will radicalize GB.

And yes, except for that loon Hitler declaring war on us, we should have abandoned GB.  I love them too, but only because of Monty Python.

If Churchill had been the only "alpha" male in GB in 1939, they would be speaking German in London now.  There were many "alphas" of various kinds:  Pilots, firefighters, scientists, nurses, doctors, radar inventors, code-breakers, soldiers, etc.  You do them wrong to dismiss their efforts. 

Churchill needed all the people to support the war effort.  He certainly encouraged them as almost no other person has in a time of great peril, but his words alone would not have been sufficient without everyone else stepping up to resist.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 02:52:31 AM
If Churchill had been the only "alpha" male in GB in 1939, they would be speaking German in London now.  There were many "alphas" of various kinds:  Pilots, firefighters, scientists, nurses, doctors, radar inventors, code-breakers, soldiers, etc.  You do them wrong to dismiss their efforts. 

Churchill needed all the people to support the war effort.  He certainly encouraged them as almost no other person has in a time of great peril, but his words alone would not have been sufficient without everyone else stepping up to resist.

Good think Hitler wasn't bombing them with tea and crumpets, or they would have surrendered immediately ;-)

If it were up to Churchill's contemporaries, they would have surrendered.  Fighting the cattle car on the way to Auschwitz would have been too little too late.  Once Churchill provided the example, the others found their missing gonads.  i have the same problem with America First people in 1941.
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trdsf

Quote from: Unbeliever on May 24, 2019, 03:54:47 PM
Since communists are supposed to be far-left, how is it that Russia is supporting so many far-right parties and candidates?
Russia isn't communist -- and never was.  Since the collapse of the old Soviet state, they've swung hard to plutocracy, bandit capitalism, and miscellaneous thuggery.  They retained the oligarchy.
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