So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm

Started by Minimalist, December 13, 2018, 07:21:51 PM

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Mr.Obvious

Source: https://www.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/verhofstadt-tevreden-dat-brits-parlement-brexit-in-handen-neemt-het-is-nu-mogelijk-om-over-de-partijgrenzen-heen-samen-te-werken~ad6767aa/

Verhofstadt glad that British Parliament takes control of Brexit: "It is now possible to work together beyond party-borders"


The British MP's must  double down on their enhanced grip on the brexit-proces to look for sollutions to the impasse, across party borders. So spoke the brexit-coördinator from the European Parliament Guy Verhofstadt in reaction the latest developments in Westminster.

The British Parliament rounded itself behind an amendment last night, which clears the road for them to hold votes on a selection of alternatives to the deal that PM Theresa May negotiated regarding to the British departure from the European Union.  A thirty-odd conservative party members of May's supported the amendment, along with the socialist opposition party Labour.


"I am happy that the parliament approved of the Letwin's amendement and took control of the situation. It is now possible to work beyond party-borders towards a solution which can lead to an upgrade of the political declaration regarding future relations. We've been calling for that, for a while now", thusly responded Verhofstadt today.

The British parliament rejected May's deal twice already. Like other European policymakers Verhofstadt concluded that the British had multiple times signaled what they didn't want, but that there has still been not a single political majority to rise and indicate what the country does want. "I hope this will lead to a solution backed by the support of the majority", so said the former prime minister.

The MP's will probably vote tomorrow on a few options, like a second referendum, staying in the European customs Union, etc. May already declared that the government does not have to feel tied to the results of these indicative votes. The Prime Minister still bullheadedly looks for support for a third vote on the divorce-agreement she negotiated with the Europeans.

If May's deal gets sanctioned after all, than the British will leave the European Union on the 22nd of May. If the deal does not get approved this week, the British must decide before the 12th of april if they choose for a long delay, and thus participate in the European elections at the end of May. If they don't , a hard brexit without a deal nor  transition period, will become inevitable by midnight, 12th of april.


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Unbeliever

“As much as I admire you, I will stop you telepathically from doing this â€" and believe me I am capable of executing it."

It's the believing him part that I have a hard time with. I wonder just how many people actually do believe him? I would hope the answer to that would be "none," but I know better.
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Mr.Obvious

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Baruch

Democracy ... government by committee.

Camel ... horse by committee.

I think that it is time, to end monarchies and papacies, and put all of Western Europe under Putin.
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Cavebear

The problem England faces is that there IS no majority opinion of how to relate to "The Rest Of Europe".  They can't really like the French, and they can't really like the Germans, so what are they going to do?  And then there is the Irish border.  Gee, maybe there should be a (dare I suggest the idea) a war...

In playing Risk, the one place where everyone loses is Europe.  There is a reason for that.
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Minimalist

Britain has a long history of "liking" whoever it is in their best interest to like at any given time.  With that backdrop, I can't think of a single reason why Europe should trust Britain.
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Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Minimalist on March 29, 2019, 04:50:09 PM
Britain has a long history of "liking" whoever it is in their best interest to like at any given time.  With that backdrop, I can't think of a single reason why Europe should trust Britain.

But then why doesn't Brittain like Europe?
They're, imho, not going to do as Well outside THE Union as theywill inside.

Aah Well, we'll see
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God doesnt exist, but if he did id tell him to ''Fuck Off''

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Baruch

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 29, 2019, 05:12:11 PM
But then why doesn't Brittain like Europe?
They're, imho, not going to do as Well outside THE Union as theywill inside.

Aah Well, we'll see

Not British.  But from an American perspective ... the dominance of Merkel and Macron, over the unelected European Council, and the toothlessness of the European Parliament, doesn't look like a good combination for anyone.

Separately, as an American, my "history of Europe" says stay the hell away from you people.

What is "doing well" mean?  They have spread their people all over the EU, and EU people are all over GB.  A Gordian Knot.  Requires an Alexander.  Vote for Baby Hitler or Baby Napoleon next time, they knew what they were doing.  You have to break a few eggs to make a soufflé.  There are perfectly good reasons why Europe is the arm pit of Eurasia.
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Unbeliever

#310
The Brits just need to bring back the Ministry of Silly Walks - that'll sort them out!
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Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Baruch on March 29, 2019, 07:22:57 PM
Not British.  But from an American perspective ... the dominance of Merkel and Macron, over the unelected European Council, and the toothlessness of the European Parliament, doesn't look like a good combination for anyone.

Separately, as an American, my "history of Europe" says stay the hell away from you people.

What is "doing well" mean?  They have spread their people all over the EU, and EU people are all over GB.  A Gordian Knot.  Requires an Alexander.  Vote for Baby Hitler or Baby Napoleon next time, they knew what they were doing.  You have to break a few eggs to make a soufflé.  There are perfectly good reasons why Europe is the arm pit of Eurasia.

'doing well' intended in economic terms.
And breaking a few eggs? Brexit isn't making a soufflé, it is egging both your neighbour's and your own house. (And even saving the rotten ones for your own.)
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Baruch

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 29, 2019, 08:25:26 PM
'doing well' intended in economic terms.
And breaking a few eggs? Brexit isn't making a soufflé, it is egging both your neighbour's and your own house. (And even saving the rotten ones for your own.)

They can do better in Britain simply joining China, like Italy is trying to do.  Germany is finished.

Y'all should just admit it, you hate each other.
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Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Baruch on March 30, 2019, 12:30:31 AM
They can do better in Britain simply joining China, like Italy is trying to do.  Germany is finished.

Y'all should just admit it, you hate each other.

Brittain doesn't seem to like Europe much. At least i get that feeling.
THE rest of THE Union is getting along Well, for THE most part. You are either trying to be funny, or you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Unlike Brittain, imho, we understand what we are. What THE EU is. A collection of similar but different sovereign democracies that understood, due to our geographical localisation, THE need for uniting on laws partaking to migration, trade and product quality to create THE greatest single market. We don't need european parliament to sit in a circle, jerk one another off and sing cumbaya for that. We just need to work together to make it work.

Be on equal footing with China, be their dominantor or be their bitch: it won't change who your neighbours are.
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Baruch

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 30, 2019, 04:01:19 AM
Brittain doesn't seem to like Europe much. At least i get that feeling.
THE rest of THE Union is getting along Well, for THE most part. You are either trying to be funny, or you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Unlike Brittain, imho, we understand what we are. What THE EU is. A collection of similar but different sovereign democracies that understood, due to our geographical localisation, THE need for uniting on laws partaking to migration, trade and product quality to create THE greatest single market. We don't need european parliament to sit in a circle, jerk one another off and sing cumbaya for that. We just need to work together to make it work.

Be on equal footing with China, be their dominantor or be their bitch: it won't change who your neighbours are.

I wish you well, I wish everyone well.  But most people will get coal in their Christmas stocking.  Belgium failed earlier, have you glued it back together yet?  Greece is under a German jack-boot, Denmark is failing, Finland is failing, Catalonia is splitting, France is rioting, Germany is under Muslim rule, Italy is trying to Italexit to China.  Thousands of Chinese already work in Italy as expatriate slave labor:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-21350013 ... over 300,000 Chinese in Italy now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47679760

Compare the mercantilist (net exporter) Germany vs China.  China wants to be #1.  They understand that is how the British and other empires operated (old style) with gross import of raw materials and net export of finished goods?  Have you figured out the Belgian Congo yet?

Europe wants to be a socialist paradise like Venezuela ... so will you be ruled by Putin or by Xi?  Of course EUSR, Russia and China can be good comrades.  Let the Chinese enjoy the automobile dream, Europeans can live with bicycles and Mao jackets.  Just don't call it endless austerity.
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